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Episode 226-New Bill to Hold Gun Owners Without Bail Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer– Episode 226 SUMMARY KEYWORDS New Jersey anti-gun bills, gun seizure, domestic violence restraining order, machine gun conversion devices, digital instruction, reckless discharge, pre-trial detention, cashless bail, gun rights oppression, firearm components, ballistics report, knife crime epidemic, online retail ban, executive orders, gun laws. SPEAKERS Speaker 2, Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:17 and I’m Teddy Nappen. Evan Nappen 00:19 and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, you may have heard that the New Jersey is up to its old tricks. Again. They have a whole package of anti-gun bills. Teddy Nappen 00:31 Is Murphy going to get tired yet? Evan Nappen 00:33 No, this is going to continue. There’s been publicity about these bills. But there’s one bill in particular that is horrible and has not been publicized anywhere near enough as it should be. It’s primarily because they’re sneaking this through because folks don’t have an understanding of the mechanics of what this is addressing. This is an insane bill that is going to impact gun owners, innocent gun owners, by jailing them and holding them without bail for very long periods of time. Who knows? Maybe even the entire case. It’s outrageous. It’s just so outrageous. Evan Nappen 01:28 So, let me first review with you the bills that are proceeding, and then I’ll tell you about this one in particular. This whole package of gun rights oppression has been put forward by New Jersey Democrats, of course. One bill requires the seizure of ammunition and certain firearm components under a domestic violence restraining order or conviction. (A1389) (https://pub.njleg.gov/Bills/2024/A1500/1389_I1.PDF) So, if you get a domestic violence restraining order, which is done with no due process upfront, where the person simply makes their allegations, a TRO (Temporary Restraining Order) issues, in addition to guns being seized, ammunition and Page – 1 – of 15 components will be seized. It’s just more of a gun grab, even enhancing further the grab by the Government of our lawfully possessed property. Evan Nappen 02:30 Second, it’s establishing penalties for sale and possession of machine gun conversion devices. (A4974) (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/A5000/4974_I1.PDF) Because the new boogeyman, of course, are Glock switches and what have you. So, that bill is focused on that. Then there’s one that establishes the crime of possessing digital instruction to illegally manufacture firearms and components. (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/A5000/4975_I1.PDF) (A4975) Very broad law. What exactly is “digital obstruction”? Is that just a video on how to make your own gun? Or even talking about how guns are made? It’s just so broad. It’s not just a Second Amendment violation, but also a First Amendment, freedom of speech, violation. Evan Nappen 03:18 The next bill is second in seriousness other than the one that I teased you about first. This one is also very serious. This one is establishing the crime of reckless discharge of a firearm. (A4976) (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/A5000/4976_I1.PDF) So, right now, if you have an accidental discharge, it’s not a crime. It could be a crime in which they allege reckless conduct or what have you. But this bill is going to officially make it so that virtually any AD at all becomes a criminal, felony level offense and that is actually going to have an even greater reverse effect. Because if somebody has an AD and it can now become a crime of reckless discharge, the person immediately has a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. The last thing that person wants to do is to see where that round may have gone or to call the police or do anything that could be self-incriminating. So, it’s actually going to cause more problems, not less, and it’s going to be used to go at any gun owner that has an accident. And look, you shouldn’t be having accidents with your firearms in the same way that you shouldn’t be having accidents with your car, either. But just imagine if any car accident you have, you’re suddenly going to be subjected to a felony level offense for having that car accident. Losing your driver’s license and becoming a second class citizen. That, too, is a very problematic law, for sure. Teddy Nappen 05:06 Actually, if you think about even more, like, what about for the police, for instance? Like things can happen where some accidental discharge? Evan Nappen 05:13 Well, you know, they always exempt police. Come on. Teddy Nappen 05:16 Of course. Evan Nappen 05:16 They’re better than everybody else. So, that’s how it works. Teddy Nappen 05:20 Sorry, my optimism. Page – 2 – of 15 Evan Nappen 05:21 Get with the program, Teddy, please. Evan Nappen 05:23 The gun rights oppressors want to make sure that the Government is protected. Then there’s another requirement for the Attorney General to report data on shootings that do not result in bodily injury. (A4978) (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/A5000/4978_I1.PDF) So, again, broad sweeps to puff up statistics on shootings that are taking place to help in their gun rights oppression propaganda. Then there’s another bill requiring law enforcement officers to complete training in identifying machine gun conversion devices. (A4979) (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/A5000/4979_I1.PDF) Because the majority of police are not savvy about firearms, no less, machine gun conversion devices. And those can excuse me, can take on the appearance of yeah, a Glock switch. But then there’s lightning links. There’s drop in AR sears. There’s just so many ways. Teddy Nappen 05:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Teddy Nappen 06:29 A shoelace for example. Evan Nappen 06:31 Yeah, even a shoelace. You’re right. You’re absolutely right. The shoelace was something that the ATF, at one point, declared to be a machine gun. Because you could wrap it around a trigger, and you could bump fire rapidly with the shoelace. And so, they literally declared a shoelace to be a machine gun under federal law. And somebody, some wise ass, who I got to admire, went so far as to register a shoelace with the ATF. So, there is a registered shoelace machine gun in the ATF records, which I always thought was pretty good. Evan Nappen 07:18 Then they want to require the State Police to inform local law enforcement if certain prohibited persons attempt to purchase firearms or ammunition. (A5323) (https://pub.njleg.gov/Bills/2024/A5500/5323_I1.PDF) It requires the reporting. Now, of course, many times people get NICS denials, and they’re erroneous. It happens a lot. We reverse NICS denials in the office all the time, because the data is totally unreliable. False denials occur frequently, which is why there’s an entire appeals process for a NICS denial. Well, if you end up with a NICS denial, it’s also going to get reported to the local police for criminal investigation. So, it’s going to escalate to become even worse. Evan Nappen 08:05 As we see on the next bill, the fight that we have is trying to stop the credit card companies from having these merchant codes that identify firearm purchases so that they can register and track our gun buying. Well, New Jersey’s bill requires merchant category codes for purchases of firearms and ammunition. (A5345) (https://pub.njleg.gov/Bills/2024/A5500/5345_I1.PDF) So, when you buy a gun or Page – 3 – of 15 ammo in New Jersey and you use a credit card, it’s going to be required to ID you as buying such items. Then there’s a bill about procurement of firearm and ammunition for Government. (A5346) (https://pub.njleg.gov/Bills/2024/A5500/5346_S1.PDF) Evan Nappen 08:55 But the one that I’ve saved for last, the award winner, the one that is absolutely the worst of the worst. And these are all bad. These are all problems. These are all gun rights oppression, of course. But the bill you need to really understand is A4981. That’s Assembly Bill 4981. (https://pub.njleg.gov/Bills/2024/A5000/4981_I1.PDF) It seems somewhat innocuous when you just read its description. It says, “Permits court to take additional time to consider pretrial release or pretrial detention when firearm offense is involved.” Well, what does that actually mean? Well, folks, I’m in this arena all the time. New Jersey got rid of cash bails. There are no more cash bails. And we’ve talked about it. Evan Nappen 09:49 We’ve called that the Gun Owner Gulag. Because, already, if you’re charged with a gun offense, the prosecutors are going to normally seek what is called pretrial detention. And what happens with pretrial detention is, because New Jersey got rid of bail, the prosecutor will file a motion for pretrial detention as soon as a warrant for your arrest is issued. And just about every gun offense is a warrant offense, not a summons. Because they’re all felony levels. Possession of a handgun. You know, any of the sensitive place violations. Assault firearm possession. All these things. They’re all higher felony level offenses that they will often go with a warrant. Evan Nappen 10:39 At which time, under the current law, you’re held for up to 48 hours, where the prosecutor has sole discretion to decide whether or not to seek pretrial detention. And more often than not, they decide to seek it. Now if they don’t seek it, then you’re only going to spend two days in jail. Innocent and proven guilty of nothing yet. But if they decide to seek it, then they can hold you for an additional five days before your hearing. That’s when you finally get due process, where your lawyer gets a chance to argue to get you out, to defeat the pretrial detention motion. If the pretrial detention motion is granted, then you are not released. If it’s not granted, then you are released. There is no bail anymore. There’s no cash bail. You’re either going to be stuck in jail until your trial, or you’re going to be cut loose. Evan Nappen 11:33 And the first time that you’re going to have the opportunity to try to even get out is approximately seven days after your arrest. We’ve talked about this before. It is extremely serious. They use two different scales of what is a PSA, a Public Safety Analysis. First is on, are you a flight risk? Meaning, are you going to come back to court? And the other is your danger. And you know how dangerous guns are. Why do you even need a gun? Especially if you have one of those intrinsically evil black rifles whose only purpose is to kill hundreds of people. Why does anyone even need such a thing? This is the kind of battles that we fight right now. In addition to that, there’s a provision in the law currently that says anyone charged with possession of a assault firearm, just charged with it, there’s a mandatory recommendation of no release that has to be made. We then have to overcome that. So, it’s a double whammy. Page – 4 – of 15 Evan Nappen 12:40 I’ve had many false assault firearm charges, where if your lawyer doesn’t know what they’re doing, if they don’t understand it, that person is going to end up staying in jail until their matter is resolved. Until there’s a trial. Until there’s a plea. I mean, we’re talking about all kinds of things. I have had many cases, a number of them, with a Mini-14. And they go, oh, judge, the Mini-14 is right on the list. Right here. It says Mini-14. He had a Mini-14. He’s charged with an assault firearm. So, it’s a no release recommendation, and he’s not to be released. I’m like, Your Honor, my client had a fixed stock Mini-14. And the nomenclature identified in the Assault Firearm Bill has the “F” connotation right after it, meaning folding stock. Only the folding stock Mini-14 is an assault firearm, not the straight stock. Oh, how do I know that? Because I did the case on it, State v Rose, that established it. That’s why we have the ability to have straight stock Mini-14. Because of Evan Nappen. But if your lawyer doesn’t know that and they just see Mini-14 on the list of assault firearms, the chances are extremely high that you’re just going to be stuck in jail pending, arguably, your trial or adjudication of it. I’ve seen it. Teddy Nappen 14:02 Do you remember that judge that actually picked up the AR and, like, swept us? Evan Nappen 14:06 Oh, yeah. They have no clue how to handle firearms. But, you know, there’s other guns all the time. SKS. SKS with a fixed magazine are not assault firearms. Yet the prosecutor, do you think they understand a fixed magazine versus a detached magazine? They don’t know. They go, oh, Judge, look at the SKS. The magazine opens at the bottom. It detaches. No, that’s the fixed magazine that’s hinged and only holds 10 rounds. The detachable mag are the Norincos that they only made for a couple years that use AK mags, or if it’s been converted so it uses duck bill mags. If it’s a standard SKS, it’s not an assault fireman in New Jersey, but they don’t know that. Do you think they know what a compliant AR is in New Jersey? Teddy Nappen 14:52 Well, you don’t understand. You also have the issue where they’re relying on these experts. You know the expert that took out his mag and held up the ammo and went see that? Oh, that’s not fixed ammunition. Evan Nappen 15:03 Oh, my God. I’ve seen their so-called experts be so unbelievably stupid, and they don’t know. The State doesn’t know the difference between a compensator and a flash suppressor. I mean, you’ve seen even the legislators that promote the ban, the famous clip of the legislator, where Tucker asks her, what’s a barrel shroud? And she goes, oh, it’s that shoulder thingy that goes up. I swear to God. The shoulder thingy that goes up. I mean, this is the kind of dumb asses that pass laws that then get enforced by other dumb asses. They don’t know what they’re talking about, and it takes that whole education. And that’s the current situation, my friends. Page – 5 – of 15 Evan Nappen 15:49 Now, under this bill, they want to add a provision to the pretrial detention hearing as follows. Ready? I’m going to read you right from the bill. Here’s what it says. “. . . provided however the court may take additional time . . .” Meaning, they hold you in jail for additional time before the court has that hearing to let you out. Okay? “. . .the court may take additional time than established . . .” Which is the 48 hours and the five days. All right? “. . . pursuant to this section if the eligible defendant is charged with any crime or offense . . .” Crime or offense. So, even a disorderly person’s offense would be covered here. Meaning what New Jersey views misdemeanors, as we call them disorderly persons offenses. “. . . involving the use or possession of a firearm . . .” And that would, of course, flow to what else? An accidental discharge that they’re calling a reckless discharge now. So, those folks will be brought into this, too. “. . . but the additional time provided for shall not exceed such time as is reasonably necessary . . .” What the hell does “reasonably necessary” mean? Teddy Nappen 17:22 Until they break him in the prison, and they confess, right? Evan Nappen 17:25 Well, whatever is reasonably necessary. “. . . reasonably necessary for a firearms ballistic analysis to be conducted and provided to the court.” So now, any gun owner charged with unlawful possession of a handgun, any anyone charged with violating a sensitive place, any person charged with a false charge, which we see all the time, of an assault firearm, anybody where they are clueless how these laws work, firearm, any possession or use, anything, any of those laws, they now can have additional time. And there’s no limit. No limit. Just “reasonable”, which is, well, the legal term for reasonable time would be BULLSHIT. That’s what it is. For any bullshit amount of time that they want to hold you for. So, this is just going to keep gun owners in jail. Teddy Nappen 18:27 Do you remember Mr. Van Gilder with the Queen Anne pistol? Now they’re actually requiring a ballistic analysis. Evan Nappen 18:34 Right! So, we had a case once where a guy was charged with possession of a flint lock pistol from the 1600s. That he was legal to have, by the way, but it didn’t matter. We see these false charges all the time. All the time. And people get put into the Gulag, and now they’re going to have this additional privilege. Do you know how long it takes to get a ballistics report from the State? I mean, often we have these cases pending, pending trial, and they still haven’t provided the ballistic report. It takes days and days and days and days and months and months and months. Evan Nappen 19:14 Hey, it’s not just me saying this. Let me point something out to you. There’s a study. There’s a study. You can see it right online, OLR Research Report, For evidence; Medical Research. “Forensic Testing Turnaround Times in 50 States” (https://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm) Okay? This report is by Jeanne Hayes, Legislative Fellow. They did a 50-state examination for various forensic tests in the 50 states. Okay? Now, looking at all the states, not just New Jersey. And New Jersey is, you know, Page – 6 – of 15 particularly terrible, by the way. The days to complete on Table 1 of this report. The days to complete cases for reporting local and state forensic laboratories. The days involved in this, in getting the ballistic reports, etc. They’re talking about for firearms, 136 days as the average and a median of 58 days. Okay? That is for firearms. Evan Nappen 20:30 So, you can bet that you’re going to be held for a good, you know, 3, 4, 6 months before you even get a chance to get out of jail while they wait for the ballistics report, folks. The State Police are already overwhelmed in their need for services. For these type of services. Trying to get that ballistic report. It not only has to be conducted, it also has to be provided. So, just the glitches in getting it provided. And what’s the rush? What’s the rush? Because you know who’s providing it. Not the defense counsel. That’s not who it’s from. It’s from the state, from the Government. So, they’re in no hurry. When they submit it, when the state finally gets around to doing it, and then when they finally get around to providing it, you’re sitting in jail even though you’re innocent. Teddy Nappen 21:37 So, what would be the recourse, like if someone is held in there for six months? Evan Nappen 21:43 Unless we knock out the entire cashless bail, pretrial detention system. And even if you know, let’s just say this is absolutely unconstitutional. Let’s just assume it is. Do you know how long it’s going to take for it to process through the courts to finally get that declaration that this process is unconstitutional? By that time, it’ll be years that you’ll be. Because it might be, yeah, the whole thing is outrageous. So, this bill has to be stopped. It has to be stopped. It is further imprisonment and gulagging of gun owners. It is going to be the most egregious violation of due process, compounded upon an already egregious violation of due process. Evan Nappen 22:31 And eliminating bails, of which, hey, last I heard, we had a Constitutional right to a reasonable bail, but not in New Jersey. If you’re a gun owner, the system that’s designed for you is very special. Very special. Special so that they can incarcerate gun owners. Take away their freedom. Take away their rights and destroy their lives. I mean, could you imagine being imprisoned for six months and not being able to live your life? What happens to your job? What happens to your family? What happens to your income? It doesn’t matter. New Jersey doesn’t care. You’re in jail over a charge that can be defended successfully. It doesn’t matter. It’s an outrage on top of an outrage. And yet? Go ahead what? Teddy Nappen 23:27 Well, what I was going to say is, the good thing is, now, with President Trump issuing that Executive Order on all Second Amendment infringements, once Pam Bondi releases, you know, moves on from the Epstein list, that should be the top of this right now, like, well, see the horror that is New Jersey. Evan Nappen 23:45 Well, the problem is, President Trump can essentially, you know, his focus is federal law, and this is the gun rights suppression of the state of New Jersey. So, I don’t know how much impact you can actually Page – 7 – of 15 have over these outrageous state laws, but maybe Congress can take action to end the pretrial detention systems and mandate that every state has bail. Or maybe Trump could do that under the Constitution. Because the cashless bail was designed primarily by the progressive left, Soros-type prosecutors and such. So, that if they’re actually bad guys, you know, murderers, rapists, well, they get out. They get out fast, right? They’re the ones that get out quickly, the revolving door for their favorite criminals. But gun owners? Oh, now we have something different there. That’s the folks that they hate, and their hatred is demonstrated by this entire package of gun rights oppression. Evan Nappen 24:52 So, please make sure you belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are the key gun rights group in New Jersey that is fighting these horrible laws with a full-time paid lobbyist in Trenton. They’re sending out the alerts and putting the pressure on. We’ve got to get this bill stopped or modified or something, because the impact is going to be dramatic and terrible for gun owners. So, make sure you belong to ANJRPC.org. It’s a very reasonable membership fee. You’ll get emails with the alerts. You’ll get the greatest printed gun rights newsletter in New Jersey. It comes to your door. You’ll have a great understanding of the threats we’re facing. Plus, they’re the folks that are in the courts as we speak. Fighting these horrible gun laws as well. So, make sure you belong to anjrpc.org. Evan Nappen 26:03 So, as a contrast, New Hampshire just defeated two major anti-gun bills. I mean, the difference is so striking. In New Hampshire, they tried to pass a three-day waiting period. I thought instant check federally was supposed to end waiting periods, but this has been one of the maneuvers by the gun rights oppressors. You know, a right delayed is a right denied. Unfortunately, in Maine, they were able to do this, but Maine is, of course, more left than New Hampshire is, but it doesn’t matter. In Maine, they passed a three-day waiting period, but it just got enjoined by a judge. In New Hampshire, they have some, you know, progressive anti-gun Second Amendment oppressionists that tried to put this three-day waiting period, but that was defeated in the house. Defeated. Evan Nappen 26:57 Then there was another bill that would have banned carrying firearms at polling places in New Hampshire. That would have restricted your Second Amendment right to exercise your right to vote, creating more soft targets, right? So, then, you know, leaving you vulnerable to criminals who don’t follow the law. There are a lot of at times, not necessarily in New Hampshire, but we’ve seen the voter intimidation and even violence where innocent people can be subjected to that. The ability to carry is our right to defend ourselves, and a polling place should be no different. So, New Hampshire, I’m happy to say, is not going to accept any so-called sensitive place. Evan Nappen 27:55 Now let me mention to you about the good folks at WeShoot. WeShoot is a range in Lakewood. It’s where I shoot, where Teddy shoots, my family shoots. It’s great place. Well, WeShoot is actually offering night classes. So, if you’re busy doing your business and working by day and you want to carry by night, you can. You can go to WeShoot. They’re now offering evening New Jersey PTC classes and New Jersey carry renewal certification classes in the evening. As WeShoot says, your permit shouldn’t expire just because you’re on the grind. So, they’re offering a three-hour refresher course. Classes start Page – 8 – of 15 at 6pm. They’ll do the use of force review. They’ll do carry law updates. You’ll get your CCARE shooting qualification and the SB-182 certificate awarded. Pass the course and renew your permit. These classes are filling up fast. You can book them at WeShoot. They also offer all kinds of other great training. They have a phenomenal range, and it’s right there in Lakewood, right off the parkway. If you’re in Central Jersey, that’s the place to go, and I know you’ll love it. So, go to weshootusa.com. That’s their website. Evan Nappen 28:26 Now, Teddy, I believe you have the Press Checks segment. You have some interesting information to share with us in Press Checks. Why don’t you tell us what you have in mind today? Teddy Nappen 29:54 Well, as we know, Press Checks are always free. So, I don’t know if you’ve been watching. I assume everyone’s been hearing the news. Everyone’s been screeching every time Trump signs an Executive Order, and the one they were screaming about. Like just one of the many gives us hope. You know, it just does. Every time I wake up every morning and say, God, thank you for having Trump be my President. Evan Nappen 30:20 It’s like Christmas morning every morning when Trump is President. Teddy Nappen 30:22 Exactly, it’s just a breath of fresh air. So, one of the things they were screeching about, you know, click any left channel, whatever, terminate all Biden U.S. attorneys from their administration. So, you know, he got rid of people that were loyal to the previous administration. It makes sense. Clean house. That’s how it works. You know. It’s not the first time this was done, but you hear these two words every single time, every single time you turn on. You can hear it. And I want to then someone to map it. “Constitutional Crisis”. You hear them use that term every single time. They’re saying, how could he do so many Executive Orders? He’s a tyrant. Teddy Nappen 31:05 And I think to myself, wow, I gotta, hmm. I gotta put my thinking cap on this one. The amount of fascist regimes that have ever downsized the Government. Gave less power to the Government. Real tyrant. And I love him trolling them ladies. Like Hail to the King. Evan Nappen 31:28 That was pretty funny. Teddy Nappen 31:28 Every single time. But let’s just be really frank. If Trump had lost, they would be doing the exact same thing. The left has, whenever they are in power, they pervert and subvert the Constitution. That has been their “Constitutional Crisis” for years. You know the classic. They are the masters of projection any chance they get. And quite frankly, if you’re freaking out about Trump doing Executive Orders, it all goes back to Obama. You remember, you remember the fame where he did the interview. He went on, Page – 9 – of 15 he went on one of the newscasts. He’s there. He’s like, no, no, no, let’s, let’s not get all we did up here. Okay? Now I got a pen. I got a phone. And I could use the pen to sign the Executive Order and take executive action. We will not just be waiting for legislation in order to provide American support. You know, I got my pen, I got my phone, and I got Michael. That’s just a joke, but yeah. Evan Nappen 32:34 Right. Well, you know what else? Trump’s pen and phone, they’re like gold plated. They’re even better, because it’s the Golden Age with Trump. And as you said, he’s restoring Constitutional rights. He’s ending the bureaucracy. You know, they talk about a threat to democracy. When in fact, what Trump is ending, and what he’s doing has become a threat to bureaucracy, and it’s the bureaucrats that can’t handle it. Teddy Nappen 33:08 Correct. And whenever someone tries to make the argument that he’s abusing authority, okay, let’s roll back history. Let’s go back to Barack Obama. What was his Executive Order? Oh, the expansion of background checks. He issued a massive plethora of Executive Orders infringing upon our rights. He did one Executive Order where he added 200 new ATF agents. You know, we gotta up that dog murder numbers. They added $4 million to the NICS checks. So, you know, they could enhance them. Also, they partnered with the Social Security Administration, so they get added to the background checks to try to prohibit people. Going after the, you know, people that aren’t supposed to be in possession. Oh, yeah, that’s not it, that’s not. That’s exactly what they’re trying to do, not trying to go target and go after gun owners. And they went after, and they ordered this massive expansion where they were to go after the gun show loophole and any store or business where you must have a license and conduct background checks. Evan Nappen 34:15 Then, Biden did a bunch, you know, about 50. And what’s great is that Trump’s recent Executive Order on guns is asking for a complete review of basically all the laws. All the Executive Orders. Everything. So, he can then do a Trump hurricane of change. He’s laid the groundwork for identifying all the key areas that need to be reversed by his golden pen. So, that was exciting to think about, and we’ll see that very shortly. Teddy Nappen 34:57 And what also really just pisses me off is they always use this word. Trump’s defying the court. Trump’s defying the court. Okay, let’s roll it back. Just only a couple years ago, when the court ruled against Biden’s forgiveness of student debt. Guess what he said? Oh, I’m gonna. I understand, but I’m gonna ignore the court, and we’re gonna do it quickly so we can forgive student debt for 5 million. Post the ruling. He actively defied the court. Evan Nappen 35:35 Actively defied it, right. Page – 10 – of 15 Teddy Nappen 35:37 Yeah, and we were able to give 45 billion, and while it’s being litigated for the moratoriums for the court, thing. Actively 45 billion, and it was stopped by the court. But he still issued it. Evan Nappen 35:52 Right. Yeah. Well, Trump isn’t really ignoring the courts. He’s fighting in the courts, doing what you might expect. Because, you know, the other side has a right to challenge these things, and you should expect it. But Trump’s actually being quite respectful of the courts, as opposed to the prior administrations. Yeah. Hey, I want to talk about what’s going on in one of our favorite countries across the pond, and that’s the insane U.K. So, the U.K. Labor Government has now announced a crackdown on online retail of knives. So, you know, they basically banned guns in the U.K. You know, it’s very, very difficult to be a gun owner in the U.K. And since they can’t really make that the boogeyman anymore, now they’re going after knives. They’ve been focused on this. Evan Nappen 37:01 And here’s the latest one that’s just great. First of all, they’re calling it a knife crime epidemic. And, of course, it’s not an epidemic, but it doesn’t matter. There are violent individuals. This particular law is called “Ronan’s Law”. (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/02/21/uk-labour-govt-announces- crackdown-on-online-retailers-to-combat-knife-crime-among-minors/) Now this law is in commemoration of 16-year-old Ronan Kanda. You see, he was murdered with a knife in 2022 by a fellow schoolmate, Prabjeet Veadhesa. That was the name of the guy that murdered him. Evan Nappen 37:41 Right. Actually, it said that he’s a second generation Rwandan migrant who purchased the knife used in the attack. He purchased it on Amazon. So, the British media called him the Amazon killer, and ready for this? Don’t fall over in shock, Teddy, okay? It said this was despite him being influenced by radical Islamic terrorism, and him admitting to previously taking the knife from his family’s kitchen. But, of course, we have to blame the knife. Don’t blame radical ideology. Don’t blame anything. No, it’s always the inanimate object, so that everybody else has to lose their rights. Teddy Nappen 37:47 Oh, he’s British. Evan Nappen 37:56 I’m surprised he didn’t go for a machete if he’s from Rwanda. Evan Nappen 38:44 Well, listen to what this says. It says that they’re raising it to a two-year sentence. And here’s the kicker. The penalty, the crime, can apply to either the individual who processed the sale or the CEO of the company. So, it’s not just the person on the possession. But the person who processes the sale, even a CEO of the company. And it’ll apply to retailers who sell or supply recently banned weapons, such as zombie-style knives. A zombie-style knife. That’s right up there with assault firearm. It’s another scary ghost gun. Whoo. Well, hey, we’ve used ghosts now we got to use zombies. So, they use zombies there to ban knives. They call them zombie knives. Page – 11 – of 15 Teddy Nappen 39:37 I would find it hilarious for them to try to arrest like Jeff Bezos for sending shipments thru Amazon. Evan Nappen 39:43 Well, I don’t know what they’re planning. It sounds like maybe they’re setting up a registration scheme. Knife registration, folks. For online retailers to restrict the sale of knives only to “responsible sellers”. Whatever that means. And they’re setting up a dedicated police unit to go after those breaking the laws, “putting children and teenagers at risk.” It’s always for the children. Evan Nappen 39:44 Oh, yeah, but they won’t regulate the cars they’re smashing into crowds of people there. Evan Nappen 40:24 If you want to read more about this, you can go to Breitbart. The article is “UK Labour Gov’t Announces Crackdown on Online Retailers to Combat Knife Crime Among Minors”. It’s an article by Kurt Zindulka. It was from February 21, 2025. So, there is even more. Because, you know, they’re not stopping with our guns. Right now, in the U.S., it’s all about guns, and then it’ll be about knives. So, hey, if you like knives, order them up now from Amazon, because they’ll probably have some bleed over in their policies. I wouldn’t be surprised if it affects Amazon knife purchases all around the world. You know. Teddy Nappen 41:06 Do you remember? Evan Nappen 41:07 That country is out of control being an oppressionist? Teddy Nappen 41:11 Do you remember at Blade Show the one guy that actually like, who was he? He made knives. Was it Hungary? Or was he because they based and I was aware. Evan Nappen 41:20 Yeah, Joe Zalucky. Yeah, he made knives. What happened was he escaped Hungary when it was communist, and his job was to forge on a forge, you know, a metal Forge, forge parts for the old machines. Since they couldn’t buy parts from the West, they had to make their own parts. So, he was a skilled forger, not someone who makes fake stuff, but rather someone who works in in metal, forging metal. And, you know, they paid him very, very little, and it was subsistence. But what he used to do was secretly make knives and hatchets with his forge, and he would sell them secretly to help get a little extra money so that he could survive. He was able to escape communist Hungary and get to America. He’s made his entire career as a wonderful custom knife maker, and he actually used the skill of his knife making and Tomahawk making that he did secretly just to survive in Hungary as his career. As an artist, as a very, very amazing craftsman in America. So, it’s an interesting story with Joe. Joe’s a good guy. Page – 12 – of 15 Teddy Nappen 42:46 I’m curious if that will happen in Britain. Where you see a forger like Joe trying to escape Britain. Evan Nappen 42:56 Well, that’s the other thing. The knife ban is so stupid, because making a gun is easy enough, right? Even just with pipe. But making a knife is even easier. Yeah, just give me a file and a grinder, and I’ll have a knife. You know they make shivs in prison. Just bust a broomstick over your knee and you got a stabby, stabby right there. Take a toothbrush and hold it over a flame. Listen, listen. Take a toothbrush, hold it over flame, and pull it. It’ll make a point on it. You can make knives. You can make knives out of cigarette butts. Teddy Nappen 43:28 Yeah, that was the one I always loved. The cigarette butt. Evan Nappen 43:30 Yeah, you take a cigarette butt, and you take the filter of a smoked cigarette butt. It doesn’t have to be smoked, but why waste a cigarette, right? Puff the end out. Puff it so it makes like a puffy ball. Hold it over a lighter. Throw it on the ground and stomp it with the heel of your shoe. It’ll flatten it. The filter makes a razor edge, and you can hold it between your thumb and forefinger. One in each hand, and you can actually slash with a cigarette. But good luck banning knives, okay? It’s more insanity on top of insanity, just to oppress people and becomes their excuse, which they readily use under the knife act to search people at will. There are no Fourth Amendment protections there in the U.K. It’s all under the guise of looking for knives. They have the knife surrender bins where they just want to put your knives in. Give them up, an put them in bins. Get no money back. Nothing. Too bad. Family heirlooms, historic items, knives you need for daily use. You know you can’t have pointy kitchen knives. They are out of control on the object and not the person. It’s pretty bad. Evan Nappen 44:42 Hey, I have a letter here from Ask Evan, and this letter is from Larry. He says, I have two questions. With a permit to carry a handgun, can I use a shoulder holster? And the answer is yes, as long as the holster conforms to New Jersey’s requirements. It must cover the body of the gun and the trigger. As long as you keep it concealed, absolutely, you can conceal your gun in a shoulder holster. No problem. It’s on your person, and it’s in a holster. Just make sure it’s concealed. Evan Nappen 45:14 Second, he has two AR-15s. One is a 223 or 556, and the other is 458 SOCOM. Both use the same mags. For the 458 SOCOM, he has a 20-round mag that only holds 10 of the 458. He has marked it with “for 458 SOCOM Only”. Can you have that SOCOM mag? The answer is no, you can’t. Because the SOCOM mag will hold over 10 rounds of the 556, and it will fit and function in an AR of that caliber. So, it doesn’t matter, even though your intention is only to use it as a 10 round SOCOM mag for 458, it will hold more. It’ll fit and function in the other ARs. So, you cannot have that magazine for that gun, because that magazine has that ability. Page – 13 – of 15 Evan Nappen 46:11 I have another question here from Mike. He says, I’m a New Jersey resident. I have a firearms ID card and a permit to purchase a handgun. My biological father is a former LEO and a resident of Pennsylvania. If he purchases a handgun and gives it to me, what are the regulations that need to be followed? Well, because he is not a resident of New Jersey, but rather Pennsylvania, and you’re a resident of New Jersey, he cannot gift you that gun directly. It has to go through a New Jersey dealer, and you have to get a permit to purchase a handgun and make the acquisition through the dealer. In the same way as if you bought it from the dealer. There’s no gift giving in New Jersey. Period. Even if he was a New Jersey resident, he couldn’t give it to you. But if he was a New Jersey resident, then he wouldn’t have to go through a dealer, but you’d still have to have the paperwork. But as a non-resident, you have to go through a dealer. Federal law will prohibit the handgun going from folks of two different residencies. So, be careful with that. Thanks for the question, Mike. Evan Nappen 47:29 Hey, let’s talk about the GOFU segment. Everybody loves the key segment that we all look forward to, and that’s the GOFU, the Gun Owner Fuck Up. This shows GOFU is about a mom who was indicted for giving guns to her felon son. Now I picked up this article by Tom Knighton from Bearing Arms. (https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/02/18/mom-indicted-for-giving-guns-to-felon-son- n1227713) What happened here is this mother of a man who shot and killed, allegedly, this person, was federally indicted. Federally indicted for illegally furnishing firearms to her son, a felon. So, it doesn’t matter whether it’s your son or not. If a person is a prohibited person, you cannot give them a gun. If you give a prohibited person a gun, you can now see that that GOFU can lead to criminal charges against you. So, it escalates to some serious stuff. Evan Nappen 48:43 So, look, folks. When it comes to gifting guns in New Jersey, it can even become a very serious GOFU. Even if the person is qualified to have a gun, you still can’t give it to them without a permit under New Jersey law by doing the purchase permit on the handgun or firearms ID card. If it’s not an immediate family member, it has to go through a dealer. The only narrow exceptions are if you’re at the target range and the person’s there and they’re not a prohibited person, they can temporarily use your gun in your presence at the range, same while hunting. As long as you’re there, everyone’s legal for hunting. They can borrow your hunting gun in your presence and use it then, but that’s it. The exemptions are very narrow, and that’s only temporary possession, and only in those narrow circumstances. If someone is a minor and they’re under the direct supervision of their parent or guardian, then they can have a temporary transfer in that regard. But giving anybody, no less a felon, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a blood relation or not, there’s no exemption. And as you can see, that can lead to a federal charge. So, that’s a big GOFU. Evan Nappen 50:00 This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. 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Episode 225-Son of A Gun Lawyer! Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer– Episode 225 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Second Amendment, Executive Order, ATF, gun rights, Trump administration, gun violence prevention, firearm regulations, NFA amnesty, 4473 form, gun safety, gun laws, gun manufacturers, gun dealers, gun registry, gun control. SPEAKERS Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2 Teddy Nappen 00:15 I’m Teddy Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Now, everyone’s probably wondering, where is my father, Evan Nappen? Well, he is permitted, you know, at least once a year to smoke a certain amount of Cuban cigars and enjoy himself. So, do not worry. He will be back. But for now, we’ll just let him relax and, you know, keep smoking the Cuban cigars. That’s kind of the main focus here. Teddy Nappen 00:45 Anyways, I want to talk about it. Let’s just take a moment now, everyone. Just take a quick moment and just appreciate the winnings. The w’s that we’ve been getting. Like every day I wake up, and I remember, oh, my God, Trump is my President. Hell yes! That is something that you need to realize and need to comprehend, how much safer and freer our country has become and is going to continue to be because of that man. Him, Musk. He already got RFK confirmed. He also got Tulsi Gabbard. He’s got all his crew, including Pete Hegseth. Everyone is ready to help fix this country. And the one thing I wanted to address, which we’ll be getting into, is about his many Executive Orders. I love the pile on strategy for him. There’s so much winning he’s doing at once that, you know, the Government-funded media can’t keep up. They’re running out of fake outrage, and they’re just watering it down to, oh, he did it. He got rid of the pennies. Ahhh! All right. Whatever. Teddy Nappen 02:05 But what I very much want to talk about is a very important Executive Order that was probably lost in the piles of wins that he’s been doing. One particular Executive Order. It was on February 7th. Protecting the Second Amendment rights. (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/protecting-second-amendment-rights/) Dad, you picked a hell of a week to take a vacation. Teddy Nappen 02:32 So, I’ll read this Executive Order to you and just kind of take in the words. “By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: . . .” By me, President Trump. “(Section 1.) Purpose. The Second Amendment is an indispensable safeguard for security and liberty. It has preserved the right of the American people to protect ourselves, our families, and our freedoms . . .” A lot of people say that. Not many people. A lot of people. People tell me that all the time. “. . .since the founding of our great Nation. Because it is foundational to maintain all other rights held by the Americans, the right to keep and bear arms must not be infringed.” Teddy Nappen 03:33 There’s the best I could do for my impression of President Trump, but I’m not going to do the rest, because that will kill my voice. As he lays out the rest, he has thanks his Attorney General, I believe it’s Pam Bondi, thank God. “(Sec. 2. Plan of Action. a.) Within 30 days of the date of this order, the Attorney General shall examine all orders, regulations, guidance, plans, international agreements, and other actions of executive departments and agencies to assess any ongoing infringements of the Second Amendment rights of our citizens, and present a proposed plan of action to the President, through the Domestic Policy Advisor, to protect the Second Amendment rights of all Americans.” Teddy Nappen 04:17 All right, I’m just gonna pause there for a moment. Holy Shit! Imagine like rolling back to any other President’s time where he is demanding we look at the infringements on our rights. Not even like, okay, let Congress figure it out. States tell people there’s been infringements of their rights. He made it an Executive Order. We are going to find these infringements and fix this. I mean, imagine hearing that. You were never going to hear that from Biden. You’ll never hear that from any of the Democrats. Hunh, and then we’re going to protect the hush, first, wait third, no wait. Constitution. Yeah, it’s gonna end well. Great job. Biden. It just such a breath of fresh air to actually see a man sign that Executive Order with, you know, the giant John Hancock-level signature with a marker, which he then throws to the audience. Teddy Nappen 05:27 But yeah, as to the developing plan of action of the Attorney General, again, reviewing various agencies from 2021 to 2025. Gee, I wonder why that focus is the time? I don’t know maybe all the insanity that was policies by the listing directly to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Gee, I wonder what they’ve been up to and what they need to be reviewed on? Orders and actions of their so-called enhanced regulatory policy and reports related to documents issued by the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention. Look at that. That ugly office has reared its ugly head once more. You know the spot. Where they gave a direct line connection to the Biden Administration and the anti-gun heads. Putting them in positions of power to coordinate with agencies to take away our rights. That agency. Yeah, we’re going to see all that documentation. Another one to review and see how many infringements there have been on our rights. The positions taken by the U.S. on potential ongoing litigation that affects or could affect the ability for Americans to exercise Second Amendment rights. That’s a key one, and we’ll get back to that. Teddy Nappen 06:52 Agency classification of firearms and ammunition. Hmm, something something, pistol brace. Hmm. Think about that. Processing of applicants to make and manufacture, transfer, or export of firearms. We’ll be getting back to that one, too. So, just to kind of take a step back on these. The power of what this is actually doing, where you think, like the blanket. I defend the Second Amendment. We’re going to fight these infringements. But what does that actually mean? Well, as the Executive Branch, and particularly all the infringements done by the ATF pertaining to firearms and the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention. The one thing that would go to is the fact that the Office of Gun Violence Prevention were the ones that were coordinating with the States. If you’re recall in New Jersey, they have the “safe office”. That’s the group that keeps going after gun dealers, suing them, suing gun manufacturers. Imagine now where all that funding gets cut off to those agencies and offices where it’s like, well, we’re not paying us to go after gun manufacturers, so why should we bother? Gone. Goodbye. Teddy Nappen 08:13 You then see the other infringements done by the ATF, including all of their pending court cases, all the challenges where they say, no, no, we’ve got to keep these rules. We’ve got to keep that pistol brace ruling. We’ve got to. No, no, 80 percenters, uh. You see now them rolling all that back. I can’t wait just for them to be handing all these wins to in the Federal Government for all the groups that are suing for the Second Amendment. Teddy Nappen 08:45 The other thing that I want to talk about is manufacturing. I want to see. As you know, the ATF had been cracking down heavily on the FFLs, where, you know, they had the zero-tolerance policy. Zero Tolerance. If you messed up the address there on this book, you’re under arrest. That level of insanity. It’s quite disgusting, and now we’re gonna see. Ut oh, all the dirty laundry is getting aired. All the attacks on innocent civilians, people that were just trying to run their businesses. And it was even more disgusting because they actually were tactical about it. You know, like, the idea of food deserts where, oh, you can’t get food within 50 miles. They were actually trying to create gun deserts. Targeting specifically dealers in certain locations. So, you’d have to travel, like there isn’t a gun dealer in 100 miles of here. It’s utter insanity and disgusting the levels of infringement and attacks that this agency has done. Well now, the bill has come due, and we are going to see everything. All the documents. All the corruption and that they were attacking. Teddy Nappen 10:10 Also looking at the import restrictions. Now, I know, looking back to our President, he is always one who stands by tariffs. It’s a beautiful word. A very beautiful word in the English language. And I get that. I’d rather promote American manufacturing and American construction. You know, build up ammunitions and build up gun manufacturing, back to the U.S. But I do see the value in getting in imports. I mean, look, it’s the cheap Russian ammo. I wouldn’t try that ammo because you fire it one or two times and every other bullet doesn’t go through. It just taps it. So, it’s not the best in the world. As if, like, you’re just trying out a pistol, or you just, you know, need cheap ammunition. I’d rather have the manufacturing here. But with all that said, I would like them to remove the restrictions. Put a tariff on it. Hell, yeah. Let’s get paid for it, at least. But I would like to see the ammunition start coming in. Teddy Nappen 11:16 The other thing, and this one is where things get very fun. And my father has talked about this before. What they should be doing is an amnesty period, an NFA amnesty period. So, in the law, and this is actually codified in the law, Trump could issue an amnesty period so you could register all the NFAs. You know, everyone who buried a machine gun, any suppressor, anything that was historical. That has been in the family for years and you don’t want to get rid, you know. This would be a time for people to get in and that would be a whole surge in the market for people getting mass amounts of machine guns put into and preserving them, frankly. It’s something that he could definitely do. And I feel like that’ll be one of the estimates. Teddy Nappen 12:13 This one, however, pertaining to the 4473, which is, you know, first of all, let’s stop right here. I am tired of denying my Hispanic Heritage every time on a 4473. It’s quite disturbing. Like the amount of times I go there, it’s like, am I Hispanic or not Hispanic? I am not Hispanic. Okay. And then I choose my race. Like, what is the point? And you know what? Of course, they did it because of “Operation Fast and Furious”. That whole debacle. But they need to restructure the whole of 4473. Stop with the photo IDs, ATF. Okay? You’ve long denied that you don’t have a facial database. Oh, if that were true, how the heck did they find the Pennsylvania shooter all the sudden because of facial identification through his father where he bought it? So, yeah, there’s no facial identification. Give me a break. So, that’s gonna get aired out, too. Do you know what’s even worse? They’re actually prohibited from creating a national database. But very clearly, they are saving the 4473s and creating a national database. Teddy Nappen 13:27 And do you know why they want to make a gun registry? That is their plan. That is their evil plan. Just like they did in Australia. Any of the gun-grabbing countries. That is what they’re looking to do. To create a national registry. And you know what? I want Trump to take all those papers. I want him to stand right out in front of the ATF. Take out all the 4473s and, you know, take out the servers, too. And take a machine gun and just destroy all of them. Just burn them at that point and send a message. There will be no gun registration in this country. Teddy Nappen 14:03 So, on that note, as I catch my voice, the other thing I’m very excited for is the definitions. Now, this is something the ATF has abused repeatedly, pistol braces. You know, things like even a mouse trapped. It’s one of those where they act without authority. And the Chevron deference, where, now they’re losing that ability pretty soon. They won’t be able to make such blanket definitions. That’s for Congress. Until then, I want this to be a heavy crackdown and even go as far as for them to delete all the opinions that the ATF has used and abused to raid people’s houses. And I’m calling it what it is. Raid. You know, when they’re actually breaking into homes and attacking. By the way, it was, just looking back, it was supposed to be a tax agency, you know. What is this? Like, why the heck are you armed to the teeth with all the heavy militant level group attack authority of the ATF? When they were supposed to be dealing with taxes. I know they’re trying to. They were trying to arm the IRS, but the ATF? That’s pretty much what they were doing. Like why? It’s just, it’s utter insanity of what they have become. Teddy Nappen 15:31 Oh, and here’s something else I didn’t realize. ATF agents don’t have body cam footage. What? I’m utterly shocked that that’s a thing. I mean, people go ape shit when deleting the body cam footage. ATF – they don’t need to. The only time we catch it is, thank God, people have ring cameras so you can see them trying to break into your home and stealing like an 80 percenter that was legal to own. It’s utter insanity that they use and abuse. It’s quite disgusting but thank God we have Trump. Thank God that he can go after their zero-tolerance policy, where gun dealers can actually run a professional company. The fact that you have, like, what it used to be, a professional courtesy. Where they would just go there, and say, oh, okay, you just need to correct these small things. Okay, that’s fine. I remember even, like, you know, they were so friendly with the ATF, they even brought them donuts. Like it was just being nice and professional. What happened to that? What happened and where’s that discretion? No, sorry. Well, a Democrat is in the house, so we have, you know, zero tolerance for firearms. We apologize. Teddy Nappen 16:58 Also, what I like as well is this is where they’re going to actually be analyzing the acts of Congress. So, kind of acting like, what would the safe office? Remember that giant omnibus bill that they created for the safe office? This is where it’ll be able to advise Congress and actually start directly targeting laws. I would like to see the Hughes Amendment removed. You know, bring back the production and manufacturing of machine guns. ’68 -removing the serialization National Firearms Act. The list goes on. There is so much power in this order, and people aren’t even talking about it. It’s crazy, but I’m very much looking forward to this. Teddy Nappen 17:45 And again, I thank God every day we have Trump in office, because I could not see how we would end up. Well, actually I can. We would end up probably like Canada or Australia with everyone completely disarmed. More and more, you would get put away for thought crimes, you know. I mean, Britain is already there. In the last episode we already talked about, you know, big brother coins. They’re not even hiding it anymore. So, it’s very clear that was the goal. But, you know, thank God we have Trump, and we’ll keep fighting the good fight there. Teddy Nappen 18:25 I believe now I have to do some ad reading, so I will do that. Let’s start with, I want to tell you about Gun Lawyer. I think everyone knows about Gun Lawyer. I sure do. One thing I always laugh at is how popular it is. Where our numbers are like 620,000 listeners, and we’re beating out million-dollar companies like MSNBC. It’s utter insanity, and I love the ones they’re firing, too. They are essentially leaving because they’re so Trump deranged that they don’t want to pay them for that. So, now, they’re like, we’re going to go online. Yeah, sure. Okay, let’s listen to Jim Acosta. Whatever. Teddy Nappen 19:39 But the voice that gets our message out for our love and dedication for the Second Amendment and exposing the gun rights oppressors is Gun Lawyer. Very clearly now they’re about to become very exposed and stopping their activities. So, now I’m also going to plug my father’s book, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s the Bible of New Jersey gun law. It’s over 500 pages, and it’s set up in a question and answer format with 120 topics. All questions and answers. Easy to understand. So, even you can understand it. Just kidding. But you will understand it well. Hopefully, I understand it. I have to read it every now and again. You can get the book by EvanNappen.com. When you get the book, scan the QR code, and you get into the private subscriber base. You’ll get updates, and you’ll immediately be able to download Evan’s Comprehensive 2025 Update, which fully updates the book. You’re ready to be on top of the New Jersey crazy gun laws. And let’s not have you become another GOFU. You know, everyone loves the GOFUs, and we’ll get to that later. Teddy Nappen 20:30 So, speaking of another advertisement, let’s talk about WeShoot. When you head out and want to go shooting, go out to the indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey. WeShoot is a premier range. It’s where I shoot. My father shoots. Everyone in my family shoots there. We love going there. It’s a great time. They’ve got a great range. And this week they’re offering the HK-SP-5 as an “other”, which is a civilian version of the iconic MP 5. It gives you the unparalleled performance reliability known as HK Springfield Armory, Hellcat Pro. They have those wonderful guns. They’re a compact yet powerful pistol. Perfect for concealed carry. They also have the Sig Sauer MCX, a modular and innovative rifle platform built for versatility and high performance in any environment. And they have their Radiant Barrels. Precision craft barrels for exceptional accuracy and durability. Check out the wonderful guns at WeShoot. They also have the training you need to get your core company or your CCARE certificate. You will be able to have a lot of fun. Good news, everybody. You don’t have to do the John Wick level of training, you know, like the weekend shooting, the kneeling. CCARE will get you there. Their website is weshootusa.com. Check it out. Teddy Nappen 22:01 Let’s not forget about our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. The Association is our stalwart defender of our gun rights in New Jersey. They have a full-time paid lobbyist. They, too, are bringing litigation covering the Carry Killer bill, the assault firearm ban, the large capacity magazine. I can’t wait for them to get all the easy wins. Now that President Trump’s Executive Order went into play, we should be getting some results very shortly on those fights. Hopefully very shortly, too, now with that order coming out. And I’ll be sure to report all those developments to my loyal listeners. Teddy Nappen 22:45 Oh, there’s that brief advertisement. Now back to your normal scheduled program. So, back to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. You know how much I love talking about them. Everyone seems to be knowing about all the great nominations and picks that Trump has had. Currently, he’s got RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth, and soon to be Kash Patel. It’s going to be a sweep. He’s getting in. And many others. Great, great individuals who will bring the fight to getting our country back on track. But currently there is still talk about the ATF nomination. So, one of those that it’s kind of an interesting perspective. I just want him to. I think it was the head of the Department of Education where Trump had said. Look, I want to make. You better do your job and make sure you don’t have a job. So, it’s kind of that level of, hopefully, he approaches the ATF director that way. Teddy Nappen 24:09 There was an article in BearingArms.com by Cam Edwards quoting the Times, and they were talking about it. (https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/12/16/trumps-reported-shortlist-for-atf-features-familiar-names-n1227161) And, you know, it was a smear piece. They wanted to go after people that are in consideration for the director of ATF. One was Blake Masters. He’s the high financer and Trump loyalist. You know, Pence liked him, but no one likes Pence, and no one cares what he thinks. The fact that he is a loyal and a true Second Amendment supporter definitely strikes as a good sense. Another one I liked was Peter Forcelli. He was actually a former Bureau official who wrote the book on Operation Fast and Furious. Can you imagine? One of the biggest scandals of the ATF! He writes that book and then becomes the head of the ATF. I’m waiting for him to do the next book where it’s just, like, basically, ah, I did it better, or something equivalent to that. Or, like, just “Director:. I don’t know, but it would be interesting. Teddy Nappen 25:23 There is another person they’re talking about. I think Larry Keane. He’s a gun manufacturer, and he’s another former top ATF official. They threw out a bunch of other names, too. Robert Cekada, Daniel Board, and Rick Dressler. One I actually thought was hilarious Because Trump is one who he picks. He is what I would describe as. He always picks people who like are the outsiders. They’re the ones that you least expect, but they would probably be the best ones for the job. And I laughed when it came up. I see that online, people are suggesting Brandon Herrera, aka the AK-Guy, to be the head of the ATF. (https://www.sacurrent.com/news/is-san-antonios-ak-guy-seriously-a-finalist-to-be-trumps-atf-director-36709832) If you’re not familiar with his You Tube channel, Brandon recreates famous shooting. Shows like guns. He’s very much on the pulse of the issue with guns in our country. The Second Amendment and how it’s under attack. He is also in the manufacturing industry. So, he actually understands and knows the lingo. And I get the idea of, wait, you don’t want someone in the industry. But look, I’m not talking like putting in the head of Lockheed Martin or, you know, a head of some defense contractor. I’m talking about a dude who loves guns, uses guns, makes guns, built his whole career around guns, and having him be the head of the ATF. Because what we don’t want is someone who is just a bureaucrat. Who doesn’t know crap about guns. Who says he’s a fan of the Second Amendment. No. It’s something that definitely I would like to see. Teddy Nappen 27:18 Now, I know people are going to flood the comments, and I’m going to say, yes, yes, Evan, my father, Evan Nappen, should definitely become the head of the ATF. But he would hate it with a burning passion. He would just be like, okay, we’re going to be shutting down. Oh, yeah, everyone go home. We’re actually, you know what, all agencies are coming back. We’re going to be streamlining the NFA process. Instead of nine months. It will be like one day. So, yeah, it’s definitely like, oh God, he would hate it so much. But it would definitely be hilarious. If you want to leave a comment or suggestions, post a suggestion of anyone that comes to mind that you’re like, yeah, that’s who I want to be the head of the ATF. Teddy Nappen 28:21 All right. Now it’s time for everyone’s favorite, the GOFU. And let us go over it. We always have one where it’s more about like, you know, the classics. What to avoid and things like that. This is something that comes up every time, every, every time. It’s something that people think they know, but it always happens. And because of that, we need to drill it down. GOFU. Every gun is loaded. Always, always, always. Assume every gun is loaded. Every time it’s a Gun Owner Fuck Up when there’s an accidental discharge. Every single time, because you open up a can of worms. It leads to so much pain, and worst of all, it can lead to someone dying. Teddy Nappen 29:20 I actually pulled up an article from New Jersey. (https://newjersey.news12.com/edison-nj-man-accidently-shoots-kills-wife-while-clearing-registered-firearm) It was in Edison where a guy was clearing his gun. He went to clear his firearm, you know, just check, and pulled the trigger. He accidentally shot and killed his wife. And it’s something. I’m not going to go into details on that for him. I’m just saying that this is something you always have to think about. You always have to address and treat every firearm like it’s loaded. I mean, look, we all know the joke. What’s the famous last thing the redneck said? Not, “Hey, check this out.” The other one is, “It ain’t loaded.” It’s very common, and it’s something that you just have to drill down and make sure you know. Always, always, always. Every gun is loaded. Period. Okay? Because it just gives more ammunition. You know, I didn’t mean a pun there, but okay. To the anti-gun side, and it just gives more power to them. When actually responsible gun owners do their due diligence. You know the name escapes me, but an armed society is a polite society. Okay? You are carrying this power and responsibility. Please, please, please. Every gun is loaded. Remember that. And, oh, I think we’ll finish off with my father’s famous quote. Gun laws do not protect honest citizens from criminals. Gun laws protect criminals from honest citizens. This is Teddy Nappen signing off. Speaker 2 31:14 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state. Downloadable PDF Transcript Gun Lawyer S3 E225_Transcript About The Host Evan Nappen, Esq. Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. 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Episode 224- NJ Concealed Cary Proven to Save Lives Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer– Episode 224 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS New Jersey concealed carry, gun violence, racial disparities, permit denials, Second Amendment, Bruen decision, hollow nose ammo, Civilian Marksmanship Program, 1911 pistols, gun rights, self-defense, institutional racism, gun control laws, David Hogg, anti-gun agenda. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen, Speaker 3, Teddy Nappen Evan Nappen 00:14 I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:16 And I’m Teddy Nappen Evan Nappen 00:18 and welcome to Gun Lawyer. New Jersey carry is saving lives. That’s right. This is statistically a fact. Let me tell you right now. There’s a great article in BearingArms by Cam Edwards called “New Jersey Lawmaker Credits Concealed Carry for Crime Drop. (https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2025/02/03/new-jersey-lawmaker-credits-concealed-carry-for-crime-drop-n1227550) BearingArms is a great news site for Second Amendment news, and Cam is a friend of mine. I love Cam. He’s a great guy. Anyway, Cam’s article here makes it clear and talks about Assemblyman Greg Myhre. He’s a Republican from Ocean County, which is interesting. We’re going to talk about Ocean County in a little bit. Evan Nappen 01:15 But here’s a quote from Assemblyman Myhre. In a video released Wednesday, Myhre pointed to a sharp rise in concealed carry permits following the U.S. Supreme Court Bruen decision in 2022, which made it easier for New Jersey residents to obtain carry permits. “Today, more than 58,000 law-abiding New Jerseyans can exercise their right to carry a firearm. And while some warned this would turn our streets into the Wild West, . . .” Don’t you always love that? Teddy Nappen 01:55 Well, there’ll be blood in the streets. Evan Nappen 01:56 Yeah, yeah, that’s the BITS, right? BITS – Blood In The Streets. They always like to say, BITS. Blood In The Streets. “. . . the reality has been far different, Myhre said. And in fact, it has. Because people no longer are going to be victims. They’re going to be defenders. Myhre went on to point out that New Jersey reported 778 gun violence victims. Whatever that means, right? Gun violence victims. Like victims of gun violence. Anyway, since they’re separating it out for gun violence, they reported 778 gun violence victims in 2024. A 16% decline from 924 the previous year. Marking a 15-year low, according to the governor’s office. Gun-rated fatalities dropped 20% to 152 last year. And meanwhile, the number of concealed carry permits surged by a mere 8,000%, folks! Eight thousand percent (8,000%) since the Bruen ruling. With over 57,000 permits approved post Bruen. So, there you have the real, true impact of “shall issue” in the historically gun rights oppressive state of New Jersey. It’s saving lives. It’s stopping and reducing gun violence victims and fatalities. It is absolutely not a surprise to me at all. Now, of course, the media, the lame stream, legacy media is quiet about this, but I’m glad to see it. Teddy Nappen 04:06 Oh, don’t you mean the Government? Don’t you mean the Government-funded media now? Evan Nappen 04:10 Yeah, right. The Government-funded media. And so, this is incredible, and it is impacting crime in the way that we all knew it would. Because law-abiding citizens possessing firearms is a deterrent to these criminal acts. And this is something that needs to be broadly publicized that it is effective in actually lowering crime. A lot more effective than the revolving door of the justice system. A lot more effective than defund the police. A lot more effective than the progressive left policies that have, in fact, increased crime. This has caused a decrease in crime, and this decrease would not have come about were it not for the empowerment of the Second Amendment by St. Thomas on the majority opinion in the Bruen decision that made it clear that we have a right to self-defense, and a right to arm ourselves outside the home. Its impact is lifesaving, and that is the good news about concealed carry. Evan Nappen 05:39 Yet at the same time, ironically at the same time, we have a fascinating report that has come out called the “Rise Against Hate”. Now the “Rise Against Hate” is a website you can visit, and I suggest you do. It’s called RiseAgainstHate.org and go to their research section. So, it’s RiseAgainstHate.org/researchstudies. (https://www.riseagainsthate.org/research/studies) They did a new research release on “Permit-to-Carry Application Outcomes in New Jersey: A County-Level Analysis (2019-2024). Now this is following on the heels of the excellent work done by our good friend, John Petrolino. He was first to reveal the Attorney General of New Jersey statistics which showed a disproportionate number of blacks and other minorities being denied their right to carry and being forced to stay victims instead of defenders. Evan Nappen 05:57 Now in this study, the researchers uncovered the significant racial disparities in permit denials. It revealed that black individuals are 10.38 times, over 10 times, more likely to be denied a permit compared to their white counterparts when adjusted for population. Let that sink in. Talk about institutional racism. Talk about the gun rights oppressors who are always claiming to somehow be the friends of the minorities. In fact, they are stopping them from exercising their Constitutional rights. Stopping them from being able to defend themselves. Stopping them from lowering the crime statistics even more Teddy Nappen 08:03 Well, that’s because the Democrats want to get back to their roots. Because of the original gun control acts of our country that they try to base and justify creating more gun control laws. Evan Nappen 08:16 Right! And stopping essentially. Originally, the oldest gun laws in New Jersey prohibited blacks and Native Americans from having guns. So, nothing’s really changed, other than the percentages and the new way that it gets presented in the way of oppressive gun laws regulating our ability to carry. Now this study is called “Rise Against Hate Permit-to-Carry Application Outcomes in New Jersey: A County Level Analysis (2019 – 2024). Evan Nappen 08:51 Now let me tell you, this study is really great, because the authors and contributors are not in any way the folks that you would think are “pro-gun rights” researchers. Okay? We’re talking about Benjamin Shore of the American University, and his background includes the Baltimore School of Law, Juris Doctor candidate; Manaar Salama, University of California, Berkely with a BA in Data Science; Ellie Yang, Emory University, with a B.S. in Quantitative Sciences & Psychology; Daniel Mustafa, Rutgers University-New Brunswick, B.S. Computer Science& Data Science; Lexi Lay, Wake Forest University with a B.A. in Politics & International Affairs and Emory University, MM, Business Management, that’s a Master’s in Business; Clara Artley, University of Michigan. B.A. in Political Science and a B.A. Spanish Language; and Clara Mellul, Kohelet Yeshiva High School. Evan Nappen 10:05 So, you have these people working, analyzing the data, and making it clear, on this county-by-county study, the incredible racism that exists in New Jersey. They outlined their methodology in this report. Their methods made it clear that there are significant racial disparities, and although black individuals make up a smaller percentage of the population compared to whites, the normalized denial rates and disproportionate denial ratios reveal that black individuals are disproportionately denied permits across New Jersey. Their methods include denial rate calculation for each race, black and white. They first calculate the denial rate in each county by dividing the number of denied applications by the total number of applications. You can dig deep into the numbers. Evan Nappen 11:10 But there is a particular highlight of their findings that I think you will find very interesting, and that is as follows. Black people in Ocean County, New Jersey, face a disproportionate denial ratio of 52.6 despite being a much smaller population than white people. This means that black individuals are 52.6 times more likely to be denied a permit compared to their white counterparts when adjusted for their population size. So, the award winner goes to Ocean County for that denial rate. In Gloucester County and Cumberland County black applicants are 35.98 and 22.2 times more likely to be denied, respectively. This indicates that black individuals are facing systematic barriers based on race when applying for carry permits. Well beyond what would be expected based solely on population differences. That tells you just about all you need to know about New Jersey and gun rights oppression. Teddy Nappen 12:40 I’m curious. Now, I’m curious, could a class action be made against Ocean County, where, you know, the Government is sued for discrimination? Could they sue for discrimination for carry permits? Evan Nappen 12:54 It’s something that maybe even the Federal government should look into, the institutionalized racism of New Jersey’s carry permit system. Especially a carry permit system that has proven to save lives by letting individuals get “shall issue” carry permits, and yet, they are not allowing blacks that same advantage. It’s disgusting, and it is New Jersey. Evan Nappen 13:26 Let me also point out that we have some exciting news. This is from an article from AmmoLand by the great John Crump. It says, “GOA and CNJFO”, which are two gun rights organizations, “sue New Jersey Over Hollow Point Ammo Ban.” (https://www.ammoland.com/2025/02/goa-and-cnjfo-sue-new-jersey-over-hollow-point-ammo-ban/) I’m really happy to see a lawsuit brought challenging New Jersey’s idiotic hollow nose ammo ban. Hollow nose ammunition should not be banned. I don’t know who imposed the Geneva Convention on New Jersey, but it doesn’t fly here. Because hollow nose transfers more energy to the target to give you the ability to stop the threat. Furthermore, it has less penetration than the highly penetrative Full Metal Jacket, etc., rounds. Especially when you don’t want to have rounds go through a bad guy into a good guy. I mean, it’s just stupid. It’s just flat out stupid. If you’re justified in using deadly force, you should not be limited in your choice of ammunition, especially when you’re looking for the ability to have greater stopping power and less risk of over penetration. Evan Nappen 14:52 Nonetheless, from this article, it says that New Jersey residents are currently prohibited from using these rounds outside of the home for self-defense. So, what’s nice is this lawsuit is hitting directly on the Bruen ruling, and that is, we have a right to self-defense outside our home. We should have a right to have hollow nose ammunition outside our home. New Jersey tries to claim that these rounds are more dangerous than full metal jacket because the bullet expands on impact. But, of course, it’s the opposite. It may be more effective on the threat, but it is definitely not more dangerous to innocent persons and bystanders and to have around penetrate beyond its target. So, who are we concerned with here? We’re concerned with the ability to safely shoot and use the appropriate ammunition in defending our lives. Teddy Nappen 16:03 Well, that’s by design, because they want to have people who accidentally, when the bullet penetrates and then hits an innocent bystander, so that way they can go after the individual. That’s their goal, let’s be honest. Evan Nappen 16:16 Absolutely. So, this is more Jersey nonsense. I want to give kudos to the lawsuit. I believe they have an excellent chance of winning. Now we often get questions about hollow nose or hollow point ammo in New Jersey. Let me just give you a quick review. Hollow nose ammunition is lawful to purchase at the gun shop. It’s lawful to bring home. It’s lawful to have and use in your home. It’s lawful to have at the target range, and it’s lawful to use for hunting, if lawful for hunting. But outside of those exemptions, it becomes a felony level offense to possess. You’re looking at 18 months in States Prison for one bullet. And I mean bullet. It’s not even a cartridge. It is literally the bullet head that is prohibited. Evan Nappen 17:18 I’ve had insanely ridiculous hollow nose cases. Including one fellow who had a dummy hollow nose bullet key ring that he was actually indicted for possession of a hollow nose on a dummy key ring. Another fellow that had one .22 round that had fallen out of a box ammo in the bottom of his glove box. He had parked in an area he shouldn’t have parked in, and they searched the vehicle. They didn’t find a gun, but there was just one round. They indicted him for a .22. You know, they had to make him a felon over this heinous offense. It’s so ridiculous, but it is legal in those places that I said. But outside of that is where you have a problem. You cannot carry hollow nose in your carry gun because you’re outside those exemptions, which is again, foolish. We should be able to have that ammunition, if we choose to, in our carry guns. In our carry guns that are saving lives in New Jersey, by the way. That’s what we need. It currently is ripe for a challenge, and I’m so happy that they’re pursuing that. Evan Nappen 18:34 Let me give you a little news alert. This is exciting and actually a positive thing. It’s amazing what a new President can do. And what am I talking about? I’m talking about the CMP, the Civilian Marksmanship Program has resumed surplus 1911A1 pistol sales. (https://thecmp.org/cmp-resumes-surplus-m1911-m1911a1-pistol-sales/) That’s right, the CMP sells actual Government issued .45 1911s. They’re from the Government. They’re the real deal, authentic, and they sell them to civilians. Now when they’ve done this in the past, you had to submit your application, get a number, and you had to wait. They did round one, which went fine. Then they did a couple more rounds of getting people to apply, and then they did round four. But thanks to the senile sock puppet, no more pistols were available on round four. So, we waited a year or more. Evan Nappen 19:52 As soon as President Trump became president, miraculously, lo and behold, the 1911 pistols became available again. And those that had applied for Round four, those orders have been fulfilled. I recently received mine. You’re allowed two (2) 1911s from the CMP for your lifetime purchase quantity. I now have my two, and I’m very happy. They are awesome guns at a fantastic deal, probably worth double as soon as you get them. The price for their top-of-the-line Government-issued 1911 comes in a beautiful box, a locking-type box, beautiful with Certificate of Authenticity from the CMP, their top-of-the-line one that they’re offering, that service grade, is only $1,250. They also have two grades below that. Evan Nappen 20:48 And here’s the really exciting news. They’re no longer doing it in terms of rounds and numbers. Once they fulfill the Round Four applicants, which is rapidly happening, anybody can buy up to two (2) 1911s from the CMP in the same way that you would buy M1 Garand rifles. It’s no longer this quasi lottery or wait your turn. So, the pistols are flowing from the CMP. If you want to get yours, and I’d highly suggest you look into it, go to the CMP website, go to their website and click on the 1911 pistol sales, and you can take advantage of this. They ship to the dealer of your choice. And according to the CMP, they hold a substantial inventory of a variety of pistol grades, many ready to ship to consumers, and they expect to fulfill a significant quantity of orders. It’s free shipping by the way. You receive free shipping and handling. And they’re no longer doing that randomly generated number process. They’re accepting orders effectively immediately, and orders are on a first-come, first-served basis. I wouldn’t hesitate. Because even though they have plenty these 1911s, of course, do run out. So, it’s really worth getting it. And if you had a Round Four order pending, you’re even able to upgrade your purchase when they call you. You can upgrade if you put in for one gun and you’ve been waiting on Round Four. You can even tell them you want two guns, and they’ll ship you two, if you hadn’t got one prior. So, this is great for the CMP, the Civilian Marksmanship Program, making those great guns available again. Evan Nappen 22:51 When you get your gun from the CMP, you can go to WeShoot and try it out. You can shoot it there at the great indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey. WeShoot is a premier range. It’s where I shoot and Teddy shoots, my family shoots. You would love it. It’s a great range. They also have great training. And this week, they’re offering an HK SP5 as an “other”, which is a civilian version of the iconic MP5. The HK SP5 gives the unparalleled performance and reliability known with H and K. They also have the Springfield Army Hellcat Pro. They have those wonderful guns there. It’s a compact, yet powerful, pistol perfect for concealed carry. They have a Sig Sauer MCX, a modular and innovative rifle platform, built for versatility and high performance in any environment. And they have Radian Barrels, precision-crafted barrels for exceptional accuracy and durability. Check out these wonderful guns at WeShoot. They also have all the training you need to get your core competency certification, your CCARE certificate, and you’ll be able to have a lot of fun. They have a great website. Go to weshootusa.com and check it out. You’ll be glad you did. Evan Nappen 24:19 Plus, don’t forget our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. The Association is our stalwart defender of our gun rights in New Jersey. They have a full-time paid lobbyist, and they are bringing litigations covering the Carry Killer bill, the assault firearm ban and a large capacity magazine ban. We should be getting some results very shortly in those fights, and I’ll be assured to report all about those developments to my loyal listeners. Evan Nappen 24:56 I want to tell you that Gun Lawyer is extremely popular, and I’m extremely proud of it. Our last numbers tell us we have 620,000 listeners. Believe it or not, it’s over 100,000 more listeners than MSNBC, which is saying something. It’s a voice that gets our message out about our love and dedication to the Second Amendment as we expose the gun rights oppressors and their activities to stop our rights. Evan Nappen 25:35 Let me also mention my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s the Bible of New Jersey gun law. It’s over 500 pages, but it’s set up in a question-and-answer format with 120 topics. All Question and Answer. Easy to understand, so that even you can understand it. Just kidding, but you will understand it. Get my book, New Jersey Gun Law. You can get it at EvanNappen.com. When you get it, scan the front cover with a QR code, and get in my private subscriber base so that you will get the updates. You’ll immediately be able to download the 2025 Comprehensive Update that fully updates the book. So that you’re ready to be on top of New Jersey’s crazy matrix of gun laws and not become a GOFU. That’s the purpose of the book. Now, Teddy, you have your Press Checks for today. What do you have to share with us? Teddy Nappen 26:33 Absolutely. As we know, Press Checks are always free. So, I don’t know if anyone’s been paying attention to this or just wanted to watch the freak show that is the DNC for their elections. But they decided to elect, they wanted to learn from their mistakes, you know. They want to reach to the common man, to get back to the root issues that really, you know, unite us and win back the party. So, they decided to elect David Hogg. If you recall, he is an extreme anti-gun activist. He was one of the survivors of the Parkland School shooting and then graduated Harvard. But what I want to get at is how they have decided to double and triple down on their anti-gun agenda. This is an individual who posted on his X account that you have no right to have a gun. That is the message the Democrats are sending to the entire country. Evan Nappen 27:40 So, according to David Hogg, you have no right to have a gun. No right to have a gun. Teddy Nappen 27:43 Gee, no, right whatsoever. Evan Nappen 27:45 Shocking. I guess he missed that little thing called the Constitution, huh? Teddy Nappen 27:50 Yeah, and he is one who has pushed it where he is actually made statements like we need to treat guns the way we treated cigarettes 30 years ago. Making this comparison shows how we need to change the culture to get people away from guns. Teddy Nappen 28:09 Yeah, I know, right? But it just shows they know no bounds, and they have not learned anything. Anyone who is a Democrat, who says they support the Second Amendment, you should not be a Democrat. Because what you are supporting is complete disarmament of our nation. Because they have elected this individual who, by the way, did a Nazi salute, a real Nazi salute. Evan Nappen 28:09 Well, both of them smoke. Teddy Nappen 28:17 Well, at least that’s fitting for his position on gun rights, right? Teddy Nappen 28:46 I know. I know, right? At least the Democrats are getting back to their roots. Evan Nappen 28:49 And that’s how they can continue their racist gun laws by the way. Teddy Nappen 28:52 Yeah, and he’s not even. They try to make him like the Charlie Kirk, where, yeah, a very young guy, but he is not smart at all. He even failed to create a company. He tried to compete with My Pillow. Mike Lindell, you know. Hogg created “good pillow”, which then he removed himself as a founder. You know, real Egyptian cotton “Made in America”. Teddy Nappen 28:59 Uh, huh. Well, he kind of suffocated himself with his pillows, didn’t he? Teddy Nappen 29:13 Oh, big time. You know what actually. Evan Nappen 29:29 Actually, a pillow can act as a suppressor. Can’t it? Teddy Nappen 29:33 Hey, it can. Evan Nappen 29:34 There might be, right? Couldn’t it? We could have gone after him for selling a gun attachment. Teddy Nappen 29:38 He has a gun attachment. Yeah, a gun attachment. Evan Nappen 29:40 Exactly, exactly. Teddy Nappen 29:41 But, you know, he is not that smart, because he can’t even support his own arguments. As Lily Tang Williams, a woman who actually ran for, I believe, a state representative for New Hampshire. She took it to David Hogg. She was a legal Chinese immigrant who escaped Communist China, and came to the U.S. When she approached and asked David Hogg a question, she asked and explained, I escaped Mao Communist China, where they had killed 40 million people under their regime. Now, please, can you guarantee me as a gun owner that the U.S. Government will never become a tyrannical government? David Hogg, you know, being a very smart individual said, I cannot guarantee that. There’s no way I can guarantee that. Then the debate on gun control is over. I will never give up my guns, and you should go to China and see how gun control works under the CCP. That just, and like, you know, a mike drop moment there. Evan Nappen 30:46 So, that’s great. She experienced full oppression, and oppression always seems to include the gun rights? That’s how it’s part of our history. That’s why our Founding Fathers made it the Second Amendment. The only thing above it is the First Amendment. So, it is of that importance for that reason. Teddy Nappen 31:14 Yeah, and it’s actually pretty hilarious. Because the Democrats are trying to court the young voter. By the way, Trump won the young vote overwhelmingly. So, they brought in David Hogg, and they decided to do a panel where it’s like, hey, we know you guys really like Republicans, but can you tell us why? We want to connect with you. You know, a young individual of his demographic. He can’t figure out how to connect with his own demographic. Very good. Good job. Evan Nappen 31:43 Well, I hope they stay with this, because it reveals their true self and what their intention is. Right now, our country is in a transition to a golden age. It’s extremely exciting every day to wake up to some other great news. Every day is like Christmas morning when Trump is President. It’s just amazing. And very shortly, we will be seeing even more on the gun rights front from President Trump, who also is believer and loves not only our country, but all our rights. He has particularly stepped up regarding the Second Amendment, including right away, as we discussed last time, getting rid of the Office of Gun control right away. Yep, that nonsense. And as he’s cleaning house and getting rid of these agencies, we’re going to see the rest of the Biden era gun rights oppression be wiped out of the Federal Government. Evan Nappen 32:51 I think we’re going to see some great, great advances in our gun rights. Not the least of which will be concerning suppressors. The bill is already filed, and I think it’s getting traction, for hearing protection. We are seeing great strides regarding national reciprocity. I absolutely am convinced we will have it under President Trump. We should see the destruction of the almost 1 billion unlawfully registered guns that they secretly did through the ATF. On and on. There’s a lot of great things in the works, and we’ll be talking about them as they happen. Evan Nappen 33:37 So, I have a question here from Ask Evan, from a great listener, Jeffrey. Dear Evan, thanks again for your help with the previous question of mine. I’m the guy with dual residency in New Jersey and New Hampshire that had trouble with an FFL transfer with a New Hampshire dealer, who shall remain nameless. The NH dealer that would not process the transfer. It took some doing, but I was able to get the firearm to the dealer you recommended. They were extremely helpful and processed the transfer without any issue. I’m glad to have been of assistance. And Jeffrey goes on. I have a similar question regarding purchase of suppressors, or perhaps more generally, NFA items. Obviously, I cannot purchase a suppressor in New Jersey. No, not at this moment. Bluntly reminding me of this, a representative of a suppressor company, which shall also remain nameless, recently refused to even talk to me about the topic of purchasing a suppressor since I carry a New Jersey driver’s license. So, I’m turning to you with the question. Am I able to use my New Hampshire residency to purchase and possess a suppressor in New Hampshire? Evan Nappen 34:46 So, federal law is about the federal government. Now the federal government regulates the entire country. So, if you’re not going to have that suppressor in New Jersey but you’re going to have it in a place where it is lawful for you to have, I don’t know why the ATF would have a problem with that. In the past, I know of registrations of NFA items by New Jersey residents, who did not keep them in New Jersey. They kept them in a state where it was not prohibited. States that were not gun rights oppressive. States where the item was not unlawful. And so, I would highly suggest checking, not with the suppressor company, but with the ATF about how to make arrangements to do a purchase and possession in the lawful state of your dual residence. Because you are a resident of both states, and federal law recognizes dual residency under the gun laws. It’s in my book, and I have the code cited, pointing out the examples. And so, while you’re a resident of the other state where they’re not a gun rights oppression state, I don’t see why you can’t have NFA items there and that’s why you should go through ATF to find that out. Evan Nappen 36:19 Now, one of the most popular segments on the show is the GOFU and that’s the Gun Owner Fuck Up. That’s where real people have made real mistakes that have cost them their time, their money, even possibly their freedom and their gun rights, because they’ve made mistakes. Very costly mistakes that you get to learn for free and not make them. And let me just say that this week’s GOFU goes to something that is critical, especially in New Jersey. If you do not have to, I mean as required by law, if you are not required by law to surrender your guns, do not surrender them. Evan Nappen 37:09 Now, what do I mean by this? Well, we’ve had many, many cases where individuals are conned by law enforcement to give up their guns for “safekeeping” when they had no obligation to do so. And once the Government gets their hands on your guns, they don’t want to give them back. Then what makes it worse is even if they try to bring a licensing revocation against you, there is a difference in the law between what allows you to get a license to acquire a firearm and the law that regulates possession of a firearm. So, we’ve had many cases where individuals could not be licensed, but they still were legal to possess their guns. But if the Government has your guns, then they cannot effectuate a transfer back to you unless you’re licensed. So, if you give them your guns and then they attempt to take your Firearm ID Card and take away your gun licenses, you can’t get your guns back. Evan Nappen 38:19 This is Evan Nappen reminding you that gun laws do not protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. Evan Nappen 38:19 But if you keep your guns and they run a revocation proceeding or try to stop you from possessing guns or you get denied on a license, they can’t then forfeit your guns. It’s actually case law that my firm created. It’s the case of M.U. That distinction is important. So, what the Government will often try to do is get their hands on your guns before they bring the licensing procedure so that they can screw you out of possession of any guns. This is why you should never give up your guns, never surrender your guns, if you’re not obligated under the law to do so. Speaker 3 39:10 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. 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Episode 223-Rights Oppression Has No Limits Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer– Episode 223 Transcript Page – 1 – of 12 Gun Lawyer — Episode 223 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Gun rights, Second Amendment, UK disarmament, knife crime crisis, Idris Elba, zombie knives, ninja swords, action figures, toy manufacturers, BlackRock, ESG scores, sensitive places, New Jersey gun law, We Shoot, gun owner fupus. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2 Evan Nappen 00:13 I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:15 I’m Teddy Nappen Evan Nappen 00:16 and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, you know, the gun rights oppressionists are not just guns. It’s, of course, anything having to do with the Second Amendment, and they’ve never found an oppression they don’t like. We have to be very vigilant about their efforts, not just in the United States, but also in other parts of the world. And we can learn from what the oppressionists do in other countries, especially so-called civilized countries. So, I want to mention and make my audience aware of what’s going on in the U.K. That’s right, the insanity that never seems to cease in the U.K. Evan Nappen 01:04 As you know, last week, we mentioned their commemorative coin for George Orwell, which is a big eye that follows you everywhere you go. Well, in line with the U.K. philosophy of trampling on human rights in that regard and privacy and your ability to defend yourself, you now see in the U.K., they have, for the most part, succeeded in major disarmament of their civilian population in a large degree. I mean, it’s extremely restricted. It’s so limited on what you can have. It’s really unbelievably an oppressionists state when it comes to guns. And so, when you have that much gun law, when you have beaten that horse to death, and of course, it hasn’t done anything about your crime rate. As a matter of fact, you have all these different criminals, many of which have come into the U.K. due to their lax immigration and other things, right? So, you see the same woke nonsense destroying their country. And so, guess what the new thing there now is that they’re really focused on? And that is, and here’s what they’re calling it. This is right from the BBC, folks. The Stabbing Crisis. That’s right. Did you know they’re having a stabbing crisis? You’ve got to create a crisis, folks, if you need to ban something. So, now they have a stabbing crisis. Teddy Nappen 02:27 Just ignore the two ton steel death machines that keep driving into people. Oh, I’m sorry, cars. Page – 2 – of 12 Evan Nappen 02:52 Right! Yeah. Yeah, where they have the mass murderers just ripping through crowds. But stabbing is, of course, the new buzzword because they can’t harp on guns when they’ve enacted all these incredibly strict and oppressive gun laws. They have to find a new boogeyman, and so, now it’s knives. And so, this actor, there just never seems to be a shortage of actors willing to jump on the oppression bandwagon, This guy. His name is Idris Elba. Idris Elba. This is from the BBC. It’s a BBC article, and the headline in the article is “Idris Elba on stabbing crisis: ‘not all kitchen knives need a point on them”. (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1jgz1ld7lno) Evan Nappen 03:48 That’s right, folks. You know how dangerous all those pointy kitchen knives are. You know, we have to ban pointy kitchen knives. Well, here’s the BBC saying, you know, banning the sale of zombie knives, whatever the hell that is. I mean, a zombie knife. Can you believe this? Is a positive step. Yeah, yeah. Well, the zombies, I guess, are happy about that, right? But anyway, it says schools need to intervene early and tackle the knife crime crisis. Here’s what the BBC calls it: U.K.’s knife crime crisis. Says Mr. Elba, there’s a knife crime crisis, my friends, in the U.K. now. He claims that, in addition, ninja swords should be banned. Remember, they’re not just swords, but ninja swords. Just like it’s not knives. It’s zombie knives. Zombies and ninjas are the scourge of the U.K. It must be. Because this guy isn’t just going out there saying we have to ban them and not only saying, oh, that kitchen knife shouldn’t even have a point on them, but here’s the real kicker. He’s made a documentary. Oh, the propaganda mill is now turning, and the documentary is called, “Idris Elba: Our Knife Crime Crisis”. Do you believe it now, folks? Knife Crime Crisis in a documentary, and I’m sure it will be coming very soon to Netflix. You can bet on it. Teddy Nappen 05:30 It’s going to be called, it’s going to be called, Bowling for London. Evan Nappen 05:34 Yeah. Bowling for London. So, the slippery slope of banning anything that is protected under our Second Amendment is this progress that you see happening in the U.K. Right now, of course, the efforts are so focused on taking our guns in the U.S. that there isn’t as much emphasis on knife banning. Although we have seen it. We’ve seen it. Even in Hawaii in response to the recent case legalizing butterfly knives and such. They’re trying to still pass laws to prohibit knives, but the movement as a knife ban is in existence in the U.K. They’ve had surrender bins where they want you just to give up your knives and turn them in. No compensation. Teddy Nappen 06:32 Yeah, with the cookie monster on there, where I love the quote “only cowards carry”, and it shows pictures of knives, a broken bottle, a screwdriver. Evan Nappen 06:45 Yeah, those things, too. We have to ban all of them as well. I mean, this is why we are fighting for our rights. And fighting for our rights is anything and everything that can help us not become a victim, but Page – 3 – of 12 rather defenders against crime. It’s our natural fundamental right to have that here. Luckily, with the great success in the last election, we’re going to see the opposite of what occurred in the last four dreadful years under the senile sock puppet. We will see more protection and an expansion of our Constitutional rights. But we still have to remain vigilant. So, you need to watch what takes place in the U.K. Evan Nappen 07:43 Believe it or not, the original National Firearms Act that passed in the United States. Gun control itself in the early days at the turn of the century. You know, in the 1900s. It originated in the U.K. The idea of banning pistols and creating gun bans was a concept that came over from the U.K. And here you see it on knives. They’re a thought leader on oppression. That’s what the U.K. is, especially when it comes to our Second Amendment rights. So, I hope you all enjoy your pointy kitchen knives. You should use your knives safely, as you would use any tool. Any tool, whatsoever, always needs to be used safely. But knives are not intrinsically evil, and neither are guns. It’s not objects. It’s not objects. It’s people. So simple a concept, isn’t it? It’s good people, bad people. People that do stupid things. People that do smart things. The idea is to be the smart one doing the right thing. Evan Nappen 09:07 We can’t have laws in our society based on the lowest common denominator. Instead, we need to go after the lowest common denominator when they commit wrongdoings. Not go after the inanimate object. So stupid. The object is a tool. It’s a tool that we, as law-abiding citizens, use, and we use these tools of self-defense for that purpose, be it a knife or a gun. The oppressionists movement that is taking place. We’ve got to watch those Second Amendment rights oppressionists at all times. The U.K. is just a stellar example of what we never want to have happen. Keep in mind that, you know, we had a revolution against them for a reason, and those reasons have not gone away. Evan Nappen 10:09 Now, Teddy, you have your Press Check segment. I think you have something in store for us. What is it you’d like to tell us about? Teddy Nappen 10:19 Well, as we know, Press Checks are always free, and this is something that some people may not have noticed, and is kind of going out to stores. Let’s say you’re going out for kids’ birthday to get a present, or maybe this coming after Christmas, or any time for getting a little gift going to the toy store. And you may notice, if you reach over to like one of the action figures you see, why do none of them have any guns? Go over to, like you see Peacemaker with a sword, if you watch the shows. Evan Nappen 10:58 Oh, well, I guess the U.K. hasn’t gotten to Peacemaker yet. Teddy Nappen 11:01 Yeah, I know. At least, at least the action figures have knives. They at least have some way to fight crime. Page – 4 – of 12 Evan Nappen 11:07 They’ll be banned in the U.K. soon. Teddy Nappen 11:10 Yep, probably. And then you have, like, Blood Sports, who is another character from Suicide Squad, Lobo without his gun, Death stroke, Joker without his pistol. Red Hood, who is the DC versions of the Punisher. All missing their guns. You pick them up and like, what the heck? Why? Evan Nappen 11:29 What did they all move to the U.K.? What happened? Teddy Nappen 11:31 I guess so. So, I wanted to kind of follow this trail. This kind of understanding. So, one of the toy manufacturers now is McFarlane Toys. McFarlane. They make a lot of the toys and action figures for DC and Marvel. He’s the one that created Spawn, a famous comic. But Todd McFarlane was in an interview, and he was asked, and someone had asked this, and it was very good to ask this. One thing a lot of people have been talking about recently is there’s been a banning of plastic guns coming with action figures. And I will give Todd McFarlane credit because, you know, the execs are probably going to get mad at him for saying this. McFarlane said, we’ve done hundreds of licenses over the years, and people who own the brands, the IPS, their intellectual properties, they are the boss. They basically dictate to us. There’s not any other way around it. Teddy Nappen 12:33 So, hey, if we want to make this character, they say, nope. We don’t you ever that character made. You never get to make them. It’s just that simple. So, you know, just trying to think on that logic. The people that own the DC and Marvel property. So, you have Disney, and you can see the great success of Disney owning Marvel. And also, you see in the comics, where Punisher no longer has his guns at all. He uses swords now. They got rid of that. And are you seeing all the Yeah, I know, right? I know, right? That makes sense. I followed the trail and Warner/Discovery, who owns DC comics, who owns all the DC intellectual property and Disney, all their biggest stockholders are State Street, Vanguard and Black Rock. Evan Nappen 13:29 Oh, I’m so shocked. Teddy Nappen 13:29 So, I wanted to take this time to explain to people about, well, specifically BlackRock. I would say they are the worst. You could probably make an argument for the other two. But let’s start with BlackRock. BlackRock is the puppet master, the one that pulls the strings. They’re the one responsible for all the woke propaganda being spilled over in the media, in companies and anything that they have. They’re the ones demanding ESG scores, and my first question is, who are they? They’re an asset management fund. They deal with ten trillion in assets. They are the number two shareholders in Warner Bros/Discovery, just to give you perspective. Most Government pension funds are handled by BlackRock. That puts you a little bit of how powerful they are. Page – 5 – of 12 Teddy Nappen 14:29 And one, the one big thing that happened back in 2023, in June of ’23, if you’ve ever heard of James O’Keefe. He’s an undercover reporter, and he ran with Libs of TikTok. Now he has the O’Keefe Company. He’s conservative and calls out all the BS. He actually has undercover agents. Well, one of his honey pots score big with one of their BlackRock recruiters named Serge Valery. I’m probably mispronouncing that. Who was quoted like, what do you feel about BlackRock? Oh, yeah, they run the world. Yeah, we buy off senators. Ten k will buy you a senator. Saying this to a very nice, pretty lady. It sounded like. If you ever that’s just, everybody does that, Blackrock included. They’re the ones that pushed for the Ukraine War. They are one of the biggest shareholders in Lockheed Martin. So, kind of just seeing the puppet master in play. Always look to where it is BlackRock. They are the ones that pushed for all the DEI standards. Trump has fought to get rid of them, and he’s doing quite well with that. Did you ever wonder why the airports are so crappy? You see all the standards with what’s going on? Look to BlackRock. They are the ones responsible, and they’re the ones that deal with China. They are the ones that are hurting our country for their own profit and control. Evan Nappen 16:08 That’s really interesting. Teddy, have you seen the comics themselves as well as the action figures, is that what has been removed? Teddy Nappen 16:24 Correct. The Punisher comics took away his guns. That’s why you see various race swappings. You see various characters being changed. It all comes down from that. You also have various. They control most media company, most media companies. Warner Media, that’s a big one of theirs. With Disney, you see all the woke ideology being pushed by them because they want the SG scores. They can tank certain companies, and it’s all about control. Evan Nappen 16:57 Do you think now with Trump, we’ll finally see this stuff coming to an end, hopefully? Teddy Nappen 17:02 Yeah. I expect so. We’re already seeing that they’re dumping a lot of their DEI. A few of the companies are already doing that. Because, quite frankly, BlackRock has been losing money. That’s why you have Elizabeth Warren, you know, Pocahontas, calling for Blackrock should be deemed too big to fail, which basically gives them a blank check. And I you know, the OA crisis. Evan Nappen 17:29 Yeah. Never underestimate the hypocrisy of a progressive lefty. Teddy Nappen 17:36 Oh, yeah, especially one bought out by big pharma. Page – 6 – of 12 Evan Nappen 17:40 Yeah. Isn’t that the truth? Okay, well, Teddy, that’s very interesting, and we’re going to keep an eye on that. Maybe we’ll finally see our comic book heroes get their gun rights restored. That would be. That itself should be a comic book in and of itself. Where they go after these forces and regain their weapons. Teddy Nappen 18:04 Well, there was actually. There was that. Evan Nappen 18:07 Really, what? What was that? Teddy Nappen 18:10 Mike Baron created an alternative to the Punisher. He was the original writer to the Punisher, and they destroyed the vestiges of the Punisher. What he stood for and taking away his guns. So, he created the Private American. Where he asked himself, where would the Punisher go in current America? Oh, the southern border, obviously. Evan Nappen 18:35 Oh, yeah. So, Baron was the original creator, one of the original creators. He got disgusted with where what they did with the character. So, he went on his own with it. Is that right? Evan Nappen 18:48 Well, did he do, like, a private issue or an independent issue? Teddy Nappen 18:48 Yeah, he was the original big writer that kind of brought Punisher into the forefront and gave him his first, like, single issue series. So, Gary Conway Teddy Nappen 18:59 Yep. Independent comic. He did. Evan Nappen 19:02 Is it actually the Punisher, because it’s his baby? Teddy Nappen 19:06 It’s not the Punisher, because that’s owned by Marvel. So, he created the Private American. That’s his. Evan Nappen 19:12 Oh, so it’s called the Private American, but it is really the true embodiment of the original Punisher. Teddy Nappen 19:20 Of what he stood for, which is he fights crime with guns. Page – 7 – of 12 Evan Nappen 19:25 Did you read these stories at all of the Private American? Were they any good? Would you recommend people who like the Punisher to go and check it out? Teddy Nappen 19:33 The best part is when the Private American drops down and takes out a bunch of sex traffickers in the first couple of pages. So, it kind of sets the tone for what the comic is. Evan Nappen 19:44 Ah, that sounds like it does. Sounds good. Well, I don’t know about that being a segue to what I’m going to talk about next, but I want to tell you about WeShoot. WeShoot is a range in Lakewood. It is an indoor range. It is the range where I shoot. It’s where Teddy shoots, and it’s where we’ve gotten our certifications. As a matter of fact, WeShoot right now is offering the New Jersey PTC certification. They have many courses. You can train and get what you need so that you can get your carry license and understand what your obligations are when you get that license. They’re doing a number of NJ carry dates. These dates include Friday, February 7, and Wednesday, February 12, and Sunday, February 16 and Thursday, February 20. So, you can reserve your spot. They fill up fast. If you’re looking to get that training, that’s where you need to go. And they are offering the assistance with your renewals. Evan Nappen 20:59 They also offer NRA basic pistol blended. These are awesome courses. They also offer the Utah carry that also gets you with Florida, Virginia, and Arizona as add ons. This way you can expand your ability to carry nationwide, and you can have that now. I know we’re working hard on seeing national reciprocity. That will be great. But until then, the idea is you can get the other non-resident permits and expand your right to carry, and WeShoot can help you to get them. They have the training courses and will help you to get those shall issue permits as well. They’re offering weekend classes. They have great classes with Grant Gallagher from ScotShot, and Tony Zalo, who is, of course, an NRA legend and Bullseye Master Lance Hubeny. You need to go. You need to attend. Check out those great classes. They also offer the advanced USCCA carry class. They have USCCA and Sig Sauer Academy. I mean, WeShoot is amazing. The courses they’re offering in a fantastic facility right there in Lakewood, right off the Parkway. So convenient anywhere in Central Jersey. Check out weshootusa.com. Great website, beautiful photography. You will love it. Evan Nappen 22:34 We are still neck deep in the fight in the courts. We’re still waiting any day now for the sensitive places decision, for the challenges to the assault weapon ban, the mag ban, all that great stuff. And who’s there in the courts? The State Association, the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. Please make sure you belong to the Association. It is our premier gun rights group in New Jersey. ANJRPC.org. You need to be a member. They’re going to keep you on top of the legislative shenanigans. You’re going to get email alerts. You’ll be able to take action very easily, right from your computer to let these oppressionists know your feelings about these laws. There are a number of laws that have been pre-filed now. They haven’t been moving yet. We don’t know if they’re going to see any movement, but if these bills move in any way, you need to know right away from the Association to take steps. I don’t want to publicize all these insane bills right now, because I don’t want to give them any Page – 8 – of 12 publicity. I don’t want to see them move. But if the legislators decide to start taking action, I’m going to alert you, of course. And so is your great state Association. They have a full-time paid lobbyist in Trenton protecting our rights. It’s really, really critical that you belong to ANJRPC.org. Evan Nappen 24:04 Of course, this is the moment when I shamelessly promote my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It is the Bible of New Jersey gun law. It’s over 500 pages with 120 topics all in a question and answer format. And if you already have the book, or if you buy the book, scan the front cover, that QR right there. It will take you to my free private subscriber base. And once you join there, you get access for free to the archive and to all the updates. And right now, the 2025 Comprehensive Update is there for you to get, and it’s free. So, download that comprehensive update. It’s free. It’ll update your book completely, so you’ll have a book that is current. It’s my mission to keep that book current. As other mini updates happen, as we get some changes in sensitive places or whatever, as we win on magazines, any changes, you’re going to know, and you’ll be able to get the updates so your book stays current. So, you can stay protected. It’s really a great use of modern technology and our ability to do these things very reasonably for all the folks that rely on the book, New Jersey Gun Law by Evan Nappen. If you want to get a copy of that book, just go to my website, EvanNappen.com. Very easy. EvanNappen.com. You’ll see the big orange book there. Just click it and order yourself a copy today. You’ll be glad you did. Evan Nappen 25:46 So, we have a great letter from Jim. And Jim says is, Hi Evan. Thank you for the helpful information that you provide and the entertaining podcast. Here’s my brief question. A college campus has a public road running through it. If I drive and stay on the road, am I legal to carry? Am I breaking the sensitive place law? So, here’s the key. Is it actually a public road? If it is a public road, meaning owned by the Government, then that road is not school property. It’s a public road, public right of way, thoroughfare, etc. You’re okay on that road. But if it is actually part of the property of the school, that’s where it can get a lot trickier and a problem. So, I would make sure you factually know whether the road is actually a Government road on property owned by the state. Or is it property owned by the educational facility that they happen to make their own road on, because then you’re technically on school property. And remember, educational facilities are one of the sensitive places under the sensitive places law. They allow you to put your gun unloaded in a box. You know, you preferably locking. Your gun is unloaded, and you can be in the parking lot of a sensitive place. Evan Nappen 27:38 However, and this is a big, however, folks. However, when it comes to educational facilities, there is a second ban, a pre-existing ban from sensitive places. A ban that is found under N.J.S. 2C:39-5e, and that bans possession on educational facility property. Having your gun cased and unloaded is not an exemption under the old ban that is still on the books. So, this leads to a lot of confusion and a lot of problems, because the law is contradictory. You have two bans, two prohibitions on gun possession, on educational property, etc. One gives you a method of lawfully being able to store your gun, and the other does not. So, beware. It is a trap being laid by the gun rights oppressionists. Don’t fall for it, folks. Do not have your gun on actual educational property, whether loaded or unloaded, cased or not. It is a problem, and I see those cases come up more than you would believe. It’s a favorite of enforcement Page – 9 – of 12 Evan Nappen 29:18 I mean, think about it. What sensitive places really are is a way for gun rights oppressionists to create an insane matrix for lawful gun carriers so that they can be screwed under the gun law. Because when you disarm a law-abiding citizen, you’re not making anyone safer. You’re just creating victims for criminals. The public is not made any safer by that because the bad guys carry guns. They have guns. They’re ignoring all the gun laws. But instead, they’re saying, no, that good guy with a gun. We don’t want that good guy to have a gun in these areas. We want to make these areas victim disarmament zones. We’re going to make these areas particularly wonderful for criminals to commit their wrongdoing. Teddy Nappen 30:06 94 percent of all mass shootings occur in gun free zones. Evan Nappen 30:11 How many, Teddy? How many? Teddy Nappen 30:13 94% of all mass shootings occur in gun free zones, and that is by design. Evan Nappen 30:18 Yep, as a matter of fact, there have been a number of times where mass shooters went to the place that specifically had the gun ban, like the movie theater that did not allow guns. That’s the one they hit because they look for that. They don’t want to be stopped by a law-abiding citizen, an honest citizen with a gun. Because, surprisingly, guns are effective at stopping bad guys with guns. Isn’t that amazing? It’s called leveling the playing field. We have to be able to defend ourselves against these folks, and the gun rights oppressionists just want to disarm us across the board and turn us into criminals. New Jersey focuses on turning law-abiding citizens into criminals. They do it a lot. Teddy Nappen 31:13 The reason being is they want to turn criminals into a voting block. Evan Nappen 31:18 Yeah, a constituency. Well, they already have a pretty large constituency of criminals as a voting block. As a matter of fact, they have a large constituency of the actual leaders. Look at Gold Bar Bob getting. Teddy Nappen 31:32 Yeah. Evan Nappen 31:32 There’s a Democrat that was horribly anti-gun. It always seems like the worst politicians, the worst leaders, are always the ones that are the most anti-gun. They hide behind that, and they constantly scream to take away individuals rights while they themselves are committing corruption crimes galore. Page – 10 – of 12 And now what’s really fun is, of course, ex-senator Gold Bar Bob can no longer have a gun because he himself is a prohibited person under the gun laws. Teddy Nappen 32:23 He actually begged President Trump to give him a pardon. Evan Nappen 32:27 I guess he’s desperate. But pardoning for corruption is not, you know. His best bet would have been the senile sock puppet for that kind of a pardon. But even then, he wasn’t liked by the inside players with Biden. I mean, that’s why they let the dogs loose on him in the first place, right? So, he’s in a really bad political spot. He’s basically despised by everybody. Oh, well, he’s a hard guy to feel sorry for, that’s for sure. Teddy Nappen 32:27 I know he’s from New Jersey. Evan Nappen 32:39 I mean, he’s the guy who originally said about non-residents that get caught in New Jersey with a gun, oh yeah, give them the five years. He had no sympathy. Yeah, he had no sympathy for honest mistakes by individuals who have a carry permit from another State, and New Jersey won’t recognize their permit. He was all for just imprisoning them. Well, Bob, guess what? Do your time now! Teddy Nappen 33:39 Don’t drop the soap. Evan Nappen 33:40 Yeah, you got 11 years. The biggest sentence ever given for political corruption in the United States. You get that honor, and you deserve it. You deserve it for your oppression of our rights as well. Evan Nappen 33:58 Hey, you know, the most popular segment, really, on the show is the GOFU, which is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. My friends, we’ve got to be careful, so we don’t become GOFUs. New Jersey makes it easy to end up a GOFU. These are real cases, real experiences, real things that I deal with. That Teddy and I both deal with fighting. This week’s GOFU is best summarized as this. Be very much aware as to who you have in your home. You know many of us are folks that want to open our home up to people that maybe have a relationship with one of our sons or daughters. You want to help out a person, etc, or family member that’s not doing well, and that’s something that I totally understand. It’s something we want to do. We want to help our fellow family members and loved ones. Of course we do. But it can be a GOFU if you’re not careful. Evan Nappen 35:17 Because if you have the wrong person in your house, that is a danger. That person can end up costing you your rights if they somehow access one of your guns, which shouldn’t happen. But if they do, you’re going to be wrapped up in a big problem, and potentially you lose your rights. Potentially have criminal Page – 11 – of 12 charges on you. If any of these people involve the Government in that household because of any type of false allegation, even against your son or daughter. Let’s say, it’s a boyfriend or girlfriend of your son or daughter, and you allow them to stay in your house. If they end up making an allegation against your son or daughter, you can end up in a situation where your son or daughter is actually removed from your home. But they get to stay in your house. The other party that made the allegation. Maybe even have you removed from your own house under the allegation of a DV, because you were nice enough to let them live there. Evan Nappen 36:33 Because in New Jersey, as soon as you let somebody live in your house, they become “a household member”. And a household member is one of the categories in the definition of a “victim of domestic violence”. So, once you give that person household member status, they can make an allegation of domestic violence, as ever unfounded as it may be against you, and you can be kicked out of your own home and have your gun seized and be disenfranchised of your Second Amendment rights. Make sure the people that you let in your home to become household members are trustworthy and that they understand that this is a favor being done for them by you. And keep in mind Teddy Nappen 37:29 It kind of reminds me. Evan Nappen 37:30 It doesn’t mean. Go ahead, Teddy. Teddy Nappen 37:34 It reminds me of your case. Wasn’t it the professor where his gun got stolen by that one person? Evan Nappen 37:40 Right. Exactly. That was a case where his gun was stolen, and he went to retrieve it in the pawn shop. He got stopped trying to transport it back home, and they charged him with unlawful possession of a handgun. It was an original Queen Anne, an original Queen Anne, black powder pistol from like, you know, the late 1600s. It was crazy. They’re charging him as if he had a loaded .44 Magnum in his sock. And not that that should be illegal or a problem, but it wasn’t even loaded. Teddy Nappen 38:13 Yeah, they did ballistics on it, too. Evan Nappen 38:17 Yeah, and they did ballistics on an antique Queen Anne. It was so stupid, but household members can be a GOFU. You’ve got to be careful. I see this a lot. It comes up. Individuals having problems, and it ends up proving the old “no good deed goes unpunished”. So, beware and be careful. Don’t let that GOFU happen to you. Page – 12 – of 12 Evan Nappen 38:42 This is Evan Nappen reminding you that gun laws do not protect honest citizens from criminals. 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Episode 222-Beware The Illegal PD Paperwork “Trap” Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer– Episode 222 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Gun lawyer, concealed carry, firearm license, Summit PD, survey form, constitutional rights, police misconduct, carry permit, gun violence prevention, executive orders, Second Amendment, gun rights, sensitive places, airsoft gun parts, 3D printing. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen, John, Teddy Nappen Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Today on the show, we have Teddy Nappen, who will be doing his Press Checks segment. Hello, Teddy. Teddy Nappen 00:30 You keep bringing me back. I don’t know why. Evan Nappen 00:31 I do. I know. By public demand. But before Teddy does his segment and we talk about a lot of very interesting things, we have a special guest today in the studio, and that is John. And John is from Summit, New Jersey, and he has a very interesting story to tell about what happened to him. I think listeners should listen to what he has to say and beware. So, John, welcome to Gun Lawyer. John 01:09 Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Evan Nappen 01:11 My pleasure, John. So, tell me what happened in Summit. First of all, what did you apply for, a firearm license? What did you apply for? John 01:23 Yes, so it’s the concealed carry. I already had it for the two years, and I was reapplying. I guess, you know. The expiration date was coming up, and so I reapplied for it. I got a phone call from the sergeant there. I guess he’s relatively new, because I didn’t recognize him. He didn’t really know me, and I know most of the people there. And he informed me to come on down and pick up. Everything was ready for pickup. Evan Nappen 01:58 Okay, so let me stop you right there. So, you tried for your carry permit renewal, and you did so via the state police. You did so online, correct? Page – 2 – of 18 John 02:11 That’s correct. Evan Nappen 02:13 As I’m sure you know, the permits, when they’re granted, are sent to you online. They’re emailed to you essentially, right? John 02:22 That’s also correct. Evan Nappen 02:24 So, here the Summit PD is telling you to come in to pick up your permit to carry and that it’s all ready, right? That’s what you were told. John 02:36 That’s exactly right. It threw me for a loop, but right. So, I proceeded to go see them, yup. Evan Nappen 02:42 So, you went down there with the understanding that you were going to go there, and just for some reason, pick up your carry permit physically at the PD. And what happened when you got there? John 02:55 The gentleman, he came out. I waited about a half an hour. He came out, and he had a sheet of paper with him. You know, prior to getting off the phone, when he told me to come pick it up, he says, oh, and by the way, I have a couple of questions, a survey, for you to fill out. And I go, oh, okay. Evan Nappen 03:16 He called it a survey. John 03:18 Yeah. Evan Nappen 03:19 Is that like, you know, like doing, like a Google rating or something? We have a survey. Do a review. I mean, what the hell a survey? Okay. John 03:27 It threw me for a loop. I didn’t understand it. But I say, all right, you know what? Let me go see what’s going on. So, I do. Teddy Nappen 03:35 Did you give him a one star? Page – 3 – of 18 Evan Nappen 03:37 Yeah, right, yeah. One star. So, when you look at the, so you walked in, and then you waited a half an hour. What happened when you met him? John 03:50 The sergeant comes out, he tells me who he is, and he has the sheet of paper and a pen. He, you know, asked me to come over and fill it out. And there were either nine or 10 questions. I can’t remember exactly on that form. And, you know, one of the questions is like, do you want to hurt anyone presently? They asked about blunt trauma or something along those lines, or something like that. And you know, there was a yes and no. Right down the list. And so. Evan Nappen 04:26 Did you have to sign it? John 04:28 I did. I did. I had to sign it. And so I’m thinking, okay, after I completed this series of questions, he’s going to turn around and give me my credentials. Well, he then turns and says, well, he goes. I said, so where’s my, where’s my, you know, credential? He goes, oh, no, we email that. We’ll email you that credential. You know, we don’t give it to you. We don’t physically handed to you. And I said, well, that’s what you said on the phone. He goes, oh, no, we don’t do that anymore. And he’s, like, proceeding to go back in the office area. Like, you know, kind of blowing me off a little bit. And I’m like confused standing there, and I’m going, what? What just happened here? Yeah, I just didn’t understand it. Evan Nappen 05:17 Did he give you a copy of what you signed? John 05:21 He did not. He did not. Evan Nappen 05:22 Did you ask him for a copy? John 05:25 I did not. I didn’t think of it until I got home and I go, wait, I should have asked him for a copy. So, no, I didn’t ask him to be fair. Evan Nappen 05:34 So, what you have here is a police department adding to the form for getting a carry license, and that is not something found in the statute. This is not part of what their authority is for them to do. They can’t just go on fishing expeditions like this. So, this extra form is improper, and not only that. They’re creating another hurdle so that if you never got down there to do their “survey”, your license would be getting further delayed. This is the kind of abuse that has to end. It is not how our laws are structured. We have a uniform system for carry licensing since the Bruen decision, and we’re talking about a Constitutional right. You were going to say something? Page – 4 – of 18 John 06:42 Absolutely. I felt that something was wrong. Because going back to the phone call, I was told everything’s ready to be picked up. Come on down and, you know, pick up your credentials. So, when I got there, it just felt underhanded in some kind of way. And the reason I say that is because, you know, the sergeant basically baited me, in a sense, to tell me, hey, come pick up your things. You know, pick up your credentials. But when I got there, it was, now he says, oh, no, we email it. Evan Nappen 07:15 Yeah. So, you know, he basically, frankly, lied to you. Flat out, he lied to you. He misrepresented why he wanted you to go down there, and then concealed the actual reason by calling this unauthorized form a “survey”. He made you believe that you were just going to go down there and pick up your license, which was untrue, and this is not how police should behave. I mean, we should be able to believe our officers. They shouldn’t be misrepresenting to the public, to you, to applicants, to their constituents. They’re supposed to just follow the law and not mislead and create added burdens of both forms, your time, having to go there and to do this. It was wrong. It was wrong for them to lie to you. It was wrong for them to put this forward, and I really am glad that you had the courage to share this with folks. And if anybody else has experienced these kind of activities when trying to get the ability to exercise your Constitutional rights, get a hold of me like John did. The best thing to do is to publicize it and let it be known about departments that behave this way. So, John, thank you very much for sharing the story. Teddy Nappen 08:51 I have a couple questions. Evan Nappen 08:53 Go ahead. Sure. Teddy Nappen 08:54 My first question is, when you were there, and then he said, okay, can you do this survey, was there? Did you any make any attempt to say no or like, why would I, why am I doing this? Is there. I’m not. I’m just asking, kind of, like, was there very much like, oh, you need to do this in order to get your permit from this guy. John 09:15 Well, so, right, right. So, the way it was presented to me on the phone was, hey, you know, come and pick up your credentials. And, oh, by the way, I have a survey or a questionnaire, whatever he called it exactly, for you to fill out. So, I’m thinking, okay, maybe this is a part of the new procedures. You know, I didn’t really study the law to the letter, so I’m a little gray in that area. I’m a little hairy in there. So, I’m thinking, okay, maybe this is just something new that they’re doing. You know. Okay, sure, fine. I didn’t really push back and ask them, do I need to fill this out? Or why am I? I didn’t really. I just thought, you know, it was part of the new procedure or something. So, I just went with it. No big deal. But then again, the way it was presented was, I got this questionnaire, and then, yeah, everything’s ready to be picked up. So, I’m figuring after I do this questionnaire or survey, he’s going to then turn and hand me my Page – 5 – of 18 credentials. But he says, oh, well, the chief has to approve this. And once the chief approves it, we’re going to email it to you. But again, going back to the original call, that’s not what was stated for me to come down to the precinct, if that makes any sense. Teddy Nappen 10:32 I got you. Evan Nappen 10:32 And how long has it been since you went there now? John 10:37 So, this was, what? Two ago, yeah. Evan Nappen 10:42 And you still haven’t received your permit yet. John 10:47 Nothing. I checked the emails before I jumped on the call. Nothing. Evan Nappen 10:51 All right. Again, it’s good to put the disinfectant of light and truth on what’s going on. These kind of abuses really have to stop. We’re talking about a Constitutional right. It’s a uniform system, and being lied to and kind of conned into this is wrong. Although this is not the case in this situation, folks should know that when you go to the police voluntarily, for any reason, and not that this is a criminal investigation. This wasn’t criminal for you. But it doesn’t matter. If you go to the police voluntarily, you’re not in custody, and if you’re not in custody, you don’t have to be read your Miranda rights. So, often as a tactic, police will create other false narratives, false reasons to have you come down to the station, and that gives them a free hand to question you about something you may not even be aware of, and question you without having to read you Miranda rights, even though it may, in fact be a criminal investigation. Of course, this was not that. This is just abusing your Second Amendment rights as opposed to a criminal investigation. But still, individuals should be aware that if you’re ever asked to come down to the police because they want to talk to you about anything, you should say, hey, I’ll talk to my lawyer, and I’ll have them call you. Don’t make any statements, because there is no Miranda requirement in those situations, and that’s a common tactic used by police to subvert you being read your rights. Okay. Thanks again. Go ahead, Teddy. Go ahead. Teddy Nappen 12:37 This kind of reminds me of, I think it was either a case you dealt with, or another one. This is how effective they are lying there. How they are able to lie to people. In the early days when fax machines, when people didn’t know what they were. And so this guy is in interrogation, and one of the cops gets the idea, and he brings it into the room, in the interrogation room, and he says, do you know what this is? Page – 6 – of 18 Evan Nappen 13:05 Actually, he brings him to the to the machine. Evan Nappen 13:08 Because there’s a big office type, uh, machine. And what they did was they, as you said, they told him it was a lie detector machine. And what they had done is taken a piece of paper and wrote in big black magic marker letters the word “lie” on the document on top of the machine. Now he didn’t know this. They would ask him a question, and then they’d hit the print button. But he thought it was a lie detector. It would spit out a piece of paper, and then they showed it to him say, “lie”. You just lied. The machine knows. They keep asking questions, and every time they hit the button, it spit out the word “lie”. That’s how they interrogated him and broke him on it. Yeah, yeah, that’s a good story. I remember. Teddy Nappen 13:08 Yeah. John 13:51 Pretty interesting. Evan Nappen 13:52 I’m glad you reminded me about that. John 13:54 Now, the one thing I will say really quick is that this guy, apparently, is a newer guy in that role. Because with the previous guys, I never had a problem. They know me. When I apply for gun permits, they know who I am. Everything, generally is smooth. But this guy, I just think he’s newer at the spot, and I don’t know what he’s doing, but Evan Nappen 14:16 Maybe he made up this form. He made it up, right? Maybe he made it up and is going to be the hot shot making up a new form for doing this job. I don’t know how it came about, but it’s a good question. How did this form come about, and why? Look, in order to get your carry, you had to get your CCARE. You already had the training and your core competency with your firearm, and you were taught John 14:48 That’s correct. Evan Nappen 14:49 Justification, use of force, etc. So, all that’s already a done deal by state process in the uniform system. So, those things. You don’t need to be suddenly given a quiz on your knowledge of deadly force or asked other questions about anything that isn’t part of the statewide uniform licensing system that we have. Our statewide system is bad enough, and these other things shouldn’t be happening. Okay. John 15:25 Evan. Page – 7 – of 18 Evan Nappen 15:26 Go ahead. John 15:26 Yeah, I’m sorry, one last thing. Evan Nappen 15:28 Yeah, go right ahead. I’m happy to. John 15:29 So, this is the other thing I’m curious then, as to, let’s say I bombed on the questions, right? I had no, no clue of any of this stuff, and I bomb, right? Evan Nappen 15:41 Yeah. John 15:42 Well, you know what I mean, I’m wondering what the next steps would have been. Evan Nappen 15:46 Well, they still could say, well, they could deny your license and say, given these answers to these questions, they would use what I call the all inclusive miscellaneous weasel clause, which is the denial part of 2C:58-3, which says public health, safety, welfare based on character and temperament, and that broad bullshit reason to deny anybody about anything. It’s often the one used to have the institutionalized racism take effect, because it’s so broad. That’s the one that they can then say, oh, well, we think he’s a danger to public health, safety, whatever that means. Then we end up having to fight it in court to get your license. And that’s what’s abused, because that’s more subjective. It’s not an objective thing, like, are you a convicted felon or not? Either you are or you’re not. Simple, right? But this one is broad and can be abused, and, in fact, is abused. So, that’s where their unauthorized form outside of state law that they would then make this claim, and that’s how they’ll try to deny folks when they want to try to deny them when they don’t have anything actual to deny individuals and oppress their Second Amendment rights. That’s what goes on. Okay, man, thanks again, and. John 17:14 Thank you. Evan Nappen 17:14 Speaking of, thank you, man. Speaking of one of oppression, Teddy, why don’t you tell us about your discovery in Press Checks? Your press checks? Teddy Nappen 17:27 Oh, first, I want to clarify, as we’ve gotten a lot of questions. Apparently a lot of our listeners don’t know what a Press Check is. Page – 8 – of 18 Evan Nappen 17:36 Whoa, what is a Press Check, Teddy? Do Press Checks cost anything? Teddy Nappen 17:42 No, Press Checks are free. Evan Nappen 17:44 And what is a Press Check? Teddy Nappen 17:45 Well, if you ever want to check to make sure that your firearm is loaded, you look down, you slowly pull the slide back and see if there is a round chambered and there you go. That’s a Press Check. Evan Nappen 17:57 And not only that, you can also push the front of the slide, carefully, and that will push the slide back slightly. You can look and see if there’s a round in the chamber. The idea of a Press Check is to confirm that your gun is loaded so it’s ready to fire if need be, or confirm it’s unloaded. And of course, you’re looking to confirm that it’s completely unloaded. You want to pull the slide all the way back, dump the mag, look down the barrel, and make sure it’s completely unloaded. But that’s what Press Checks are for. It’s a way to do a quick check to see if your gun is loaded. Now, Teddy, your segment on the show is called Press Checks and that’s because you are checking the press. What have you discovered in your press checking this week? Teddy Nappen 18:44 Well, I think we’re all very much overloaded on the amount of victories we’ve been getting thanks to President Trump with all the great, great policies that he has enacted to help save our country. He is warp speeding, hitting the ground running. Evan Nappen 19:02 Every day I’m getting, I’m getting, stuffed with W’s here. Teddy Nappen 19:06 Exactly. Evan Nappen 19:06 Win, win, win. It’s fantastic. Teddy Nappen 19:08 Well, there’s one “w” that got overlooked because, you know, it’s just been a giant wave of goodness. One was the Office of Gun Violence Prevention has been shut down. (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/bidens-gun-violence-office-disappears-from-white-house-website/) Page – 9 – of 18 Evan Nappen 19:22 Oh, the gun rights oppression office of the senile sock puppet. Teddy Nappen 19:26 Yes, the Ministry of Disarmament, if you will. But it’s one of those that is very much an overlooked aspect of how damning that office became, and what. Evan Nappen 19:41 How did that come about? What is this? Maybe you should tell everyone. Teddy Nappen 19:45 I’m going to roll back to former President Joe Biden, respect the office, he and his cohorts had passed with the bipartisan. When I say bipartisan, I mean Liz Cheney and Mitch McConnell. The Bipartisan Safer Community Act. It was a laundry list of anti-gun bits and pieces, one of which included the formation of the (White House) Office of Gun Violence Prevention, and they named their leader, Vice President Kamala Harris, to lead the Federal Office of Gun Violence Prevention, as the Gun Czar. Evan Nappen 20:28 But she did a lot of work there, as like she did in everything else, right? She was incredibly effective, very. Teddy Nappen 20:35 Very effective. In actuality, the real leader was a woman named Stephanie Feldman, Biden’s aid or geriatric nurse, if you will. Along with, and this was the more disgusting, they took two of the top anti- gun group leaders, one being Communities Justice Action Fund, Greg Jackson, and EveryTown for Gun Safety, you know, Bloomturds group run by Rob Wilcox, and named them unelected bureaucrats running this office. And because of that, it gave them the pipeline to cause havoc on our rights under the Biden administration. Just to give you an example from the insanity that they were pulling, going down the list, one of the things is they were able to distribute over $200 million to different states to fund the community violence intervention, which is just a nice way of saying that they laundered their money to their anti-gun groups to get their anti-gun agendas passed in the States. Teddy Nappen 20:58 And another bit, which you had brought up in the show prior. You remember when they were hitting all the dealers with the ATF where, like, if you had, Evan Nappen 21:56 Yeah, I’ve defended a number of dealers on that very thing, where they had zero tolerance. They gave more tolerance to pharmacies and nuke plants than to a gun dealer. Making any type of minor bureaucratic error Page – 10 – of 18 Teddy Nappen 22:13 Correct. And one of the big leading pieces of the office, which they bragged about it, is that they helped pass over 50 Executive Actions against gun violence, including their coordination with various federal agencies like the ATF and telling them to have a zero tolerance policy on all FFLs. So, if you made one clerical error, they would yank your license. Evan Nappen 22:45 Yeah, Biden signed off on a number of Executive Orders, I’m sure, at their urging, and it created a lot of problems. And that Bipartisan bill was a disaster, and it laid the groundwork for not only their zero tolerance approach through this Office of Gun Rights Oppression, but also on the opposite side. They removed the “for profit” for the definition of dealer. I mean the “livelihood”, “for livelihood” and only left “for profit”. So, anybody who sold a gun for profit could be construed to be a dealer. They were essentially trying to stop all sales by anybody, even just, you know, a sale to a friend or transfer to a family member. Anything for profit. If in any way, you had a profit. That was it. And you didn’t even have to complete the sale. Then they were requiring you to get an FFL. Requiring an FFL if you’re going to have any gun moved for profit. So, on one hand, they’re requiring FFLs, and on the other hand, they’re taking them away in a zero tolerance fashion. So, they had both those things running at the same time. Crazy. Teddy Nappen 24:14 What’s even more disgusting is their group, even their leader, Bragg saying, we stopped 800 rogue dealers. In actuality, they just, you know, had a clerical error, and then yanked their license. Evan Nappen 24:28 Right. Exactly. Teddy Nappen 24:29 And it also, and this was the very disgusting part, is what they were helping the ATF, which, I mean, look, they say they don’t keep the 4473s, but they were leading on building the billion records. You know, they have their billion records that they keep of every transaction, and it was their way of eventually setting up a national gun registry, which was the main goal with this office. Evan Nappen 24:57 Right. I’m hopeful that President Trump will order that destroyed, and we may even see legislation because they unlawfully recorded almost a billion gun records, in violation of federal law, by the way. Teddy Nappen 25:14 Yeah, which is even worse. Because the office was communicating with other agencies, they were talking with the Department of Treasury, who have access to all purchases. So, now you mix that in with the registry and you could catalog every single purchase in the U.S. And you know the first step is registration. Page – 11 – of 18 Evan Nappen 25:37 Now, you know, one of the other things Trump did in his Executive Orders was he signed an order called “Defending W from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government”. And what he’s mandated is that there’s only two sexes. Are you shocked about that, Teddy? It’s male and female. Okay, that’s it. So, it has to be male or female in the Federal Government. And any of the, any of the things that the federal government does, they define women, they define men. And it is clear that there is nothing else other than male or female, okay? Teddy Nappen 26:25 Well, I’ll give you a worse one. Evan Nappen 26:26 Well, wait the impact of this, which is, you know, in terms of culture and everything we’ve been dealing with on that issue. It has an impact that I don’t think has readily been talked about on firearms. Because the 4473, the federal form that you fill out to purchase a firearm from a dealer, originally had male or female on that form. Then after there was this cultural push by Biden to invent other gender identities and this kind of thing, the spread of that went to various states where you could get a driver’s license that said either male, female or non-binary. And the problem was, if you had a non-binary driver’s license, you then could not buy a gun, because you had to have some type of government-issued photo ID that had to identify your sex, and because it did not identify male or female, you couldn’t buy a gun. So, they added non-binary to the form for those individuals, but guess what? Now individuals, when they get rid of non-binary, which is part of this Executive Order that is only male or female, they will no longer be able to buy a gun from a dealer. So, those individuals, if they want to exercise their Second Amendment rights, are going to have to identify their biological sex and pick a sex, either be male or be female, to purchase a gun, which is how it was before they added non-binary. But President Trump’s order appears to state that that is no longer acceptable throughout the federal government. Teddy Nappen 28:33 Yeah, it was actually kind of hilarious. There was an individual that there was this ploy that they were trying to use where basically they would, “lose their ID”, and they would have to use their passport, which the passport had the non-binary at the time. So, they tried to get the ID issued, and I think it was in Florida where then DeSantis just issued, no, that just means your ID is invalid if you don’t have. Evan Nappen 28:59 So, that took care of it. Huh? Teddy Nappen 29:01 Exactly. It’s so stupid. And the last bit I want to get on for the office is, by the way, the money is still allocated for the Office of Gun Violence Prevention under the Trump administration, but the office is just gone. So, now I think we need to take that money and create a new office, and I think we know what we’re going to call that one, the Office of Gun Rights Protection. Evan Nappen 29:30 Yeah, I like that. Page – 12 – of 18 Teddy Nappen 29:32 Do the opposite. Where we start there. Evan Nappen 29:35 And their mission is to fight gun rights oppression, anywhere and everywhere. That sounds good. Teddy Nappen 29:41 Anyone who’s rights are being trampled on by anti-gun laws or any form of anti-gun groups that are attacking our rights. Any of the gun, any gun shows or anybody, or anything that could basically push for the pro-Second Amendment, across the nation. That should be the office. Evan Nappen 30:05 Yeah, imagine a government agency that’s focused on protecting a Constitutional right. Wouldn’t that be refreshing? That sounds good. Evan Nappen 30:16 Well, let me tell you about our good friends at WeShoot. So, WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey. It’s where I shoot, where Teddy shoots, and my family shoots. It’s a great indoor range. And WeShoot has more than just range facilities. They also have some great gear and guns and all kinds of cool stuff. They really are great for setting up in their pro shop and getting outfitted. And this week, they’re offering some pretty cool things that I want to mention to you. One is the HK SP five, which is an “other”, and that’s the civilian version of the iconic MP5. And yes, WeShoot has them. They’re also offering the Springfield Armory Hellcat Pro, which is a compact yet powerful pistol. The Hellcat Pro is kind of cool. Because with the Hellcat, if you look at the end of the Hellcat, right below the barrel, where the guide rod goes out or forms that button makes it so that you cannot actually push the slide forward if you’re pushing against something. Sometimes, with semi-auto pistols, if you’re pushing the front, the slide will go completely back or disengage, and the gun won’t fire. But here, if you got into a CQB situation, Hellcats will still actually fire. So, Hellcats are kind of interesting guns in that regard. Evan Nappen 31:49 They’re also offering a Sig Sauer MCX, which is a modular and innovative rifle platform, and that has a lot of versatility, and it’s a high performance rifle. And they’re also offering Radian Barrels. Radian Barrels are precision crafted barrels designed for exceptional accuracy and durability. So, WeShoot has a lot of this and so much more. Get over to WeShoot and check it out. Go there to shoot and to have fun. Take advantage of this great resource. You can get your training there. You can get your CCARE for getting your carry, all kinds of great training, and they have zero extra fees on 1000s of items. , if you haven’t been to WeShoot, get over to WeShoot. Check out their website at weshootusa.com. Evan Nappen 32:46 I also want to mention our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs (anjrpc.org).They are the powerhouse gun rights defenders in New Jersey. They’re the NRA affiliate, and they are on guard as we speak. They have a paid full time lobbyist in Trenton, watching for the shenanigans going on down there. We’re going to be talking about new threats, new gun rights Page – 13 – of 18 oppression that they’re going to be pushing in Trenton. They are the folks that are in the federal courts, as we speak, challenging the standard capacity magazine ban, the modern sporting rifle ban and the Carry Killer bill, just to name a few. They have made so big a difference in the state, working together. I’ve worked with them, and we’ve been able to get the Attorney General to effectuate changes, not the least of which was the CCARE change that made it so that the core competency was being tested instead of the former John Wick training requirements. We were able to get the No Serial Number gun issue so that millions of guns that were banned under that are no longer banned. Make sure you belong to the state Association, anjrpc.org. Join today. You’ll get updates, a great newsletter, email alerts, and you’ll know that you’re part of the solution, not the problem. Evan Nappen 34:20 If you want to know the gun laws in New Jersey, not only do you listen to Gun Lawyer, but make sure you get my book. I bet most of you have my book. And for those of you don’t, well, you’re missing out. Because you can get my book, New Jersey Gun Law, the Bible of New Jersey gun law, the book that everybody uses. The State Police Firearms Unit uses it. Judges, lawyers and thousands of gun owners use it – for a good reason. It’s the only book out there that actually even attempts to explain New Jersey gun law. I’ve dedicated my life to that subject and this book. It is a labor of love. It’s over 500 pages in a question and answer format so that you can actually almost understand New Jersey gun law. At least you’ll be able to understand it the best that is out there to try to achieve that incredible task. And not only will that book aid you and assist you so you can remain law abiding, but when you get the book scan the QR code right on the front, and you can get in for free, 100% free, to my private subscriber base. When you do that, you’re going to get email alerts of any updates, and you get free access to the archives. And right now on that archive is the Comprehensive 2025 Update to the book. So, if you have the book, you can get rid of all your other updates. Download the one comprehensive update, and your book is now current. I did it chapter by chapter, any of the things that changed, and there’s even additional chapters, including a standalone chapter on “sensitive places”, where you can and cannot carry. So, pick up a copy today of New Jersey Gun Law. Just go to EvanNappen.com, EvanNappen.com, and you’ll see the big orange book right there. Click it, order your book, you’ll have it in a matter of days. Evan Nappen 36:23 Okay, so I have something here that just made me laugh and think about just how clueless the United Kingdom must be, because you know what goes over the on over there is very disturbing. They are anti-gun, they’re anti-knife, they’re anti-self defense, they’re anti-rights, privacy, you name it. That place is essentially like a police state. And you know, they make believe they’re free, but geeze, the stuff that they do is unbelievable. I’m sure you’re aware of their lack of privacy. I mean, they passed the so-called knife act where they can just search you at will. I mean, we’re talking about what is based authoritarian. Teddy Nappen 37:20 They busted a woman for a thought crime. Evan Nappen 37:23 Right. A thought crime. Praying, praying privately in front of a church, privately standing there, praying. Oh, no, can’t think that. And this is the arrest, okay, for, right? Page – 14 – of 18 Teddy Nappen 37:34 They arrested a man for doing kung fu fighting in a karaoke bar. You know. Evan Nappen 37:41 Was he fighting anybody? Teddy Nappen 37:42 Oh, no, no, you know, it was just the song, Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting. Evan Nappen 37:47 He was just singing the song, right? Teddy Nappen 37:48 Yeah, and then yeah, and then just Yeah, and then, so, just busted him. Evan Nappen 37:53 Right. So, the UK, you see headline after headline about their police state actions and their authoritarian ways, and it’s just so reprehensible. And so let me just tell you, this just blew me away. And I think it’s just hilarious. The Royal Mint, okay, this is the mint in the UK that mints their coins. The way we have the U.S. Mint. They have the Royal Mint. Well, folks, the Royal Mint has come out with a commemorative coin, no joke, and the commemorative coin that you can buy today, and let me tell you, I ordered them. I had to have them. I have to have this. Just have to. They came out with a commemorative coin honoring none other than George Orwell. Yes, I’m not kidding, big brother, George Orwell. And this commemorative coin honoring George Orwell is a giant eye. A giant eye with like a lens over it that watches you at all times. You got to see this coin. (https://www.royalmint.com/stories/commemorate/george-orwell-author-journalist-and-critic/) Teddy Nappen 39:10 Big Brother’s always watching you. Big Brother. Evan Nappen 39:12 Big Brother’s always watching you. And in the UK, they’re always watching you. They’re honoring him with an official commemorative coin from the UK. And they even say online, they say an Orwellian design. Yes, an Orwellian design by an Orwellian government. I guess, right? They didn’t mention the government part. I’m mentioning that. Teddy Nappen 39:34 I’m surprised. Evan Nappen 39:34 It says, go ahead. Page – 15 – of 18 Teddy Nappen 39:37 There you go. Evan Nappen 39:38 It says the coin is mass. Here’s what they say. The coin is masterfully created. Reverse design, created by artist Henry Gray, incorporates elements of totalitarianism. That’s what that’s the. I’m so glad they made a commemorative coin honoring totalitarianism, which is a central theme in Orwell’s writing. And then they said that Orwell is a hugely talented writer and visionary thinker, and he’s on the UK coin for the first time. Wonderful. And you’ve got to see this coin. If you order the Silver Proof edition, it comes in this acrylic block that has like this Alfred Hitchcock high anxiety thing spinning around it in a design, with the eye staring at you in this concrete block. And so, it says that it could be proudly observed, for all to observe. And that’s why it’s constantly observing you. I’ve got to get one of these for my desk. I think it’s the ultimate statement about the UK. I’m sure you probably want one, too. And if you do, by all means, go to the Royal Mint and look at the George Orwell 2025 UK two pound Silver Proof coin. They also have an uncirculated version, and then they have what they call the Piedfort proof coin, which I guess, is a super deluxe, totalitarian honoring coin that you can check out and order to your delight. Teddy Nappen 41:15 You know how our money has “In God We Trust”? Evan Nappen 41:18 Yes. Teddy Nappen 41:19 I want them. I want them to have, there will be no love except love of Big Brother. Evan Nappen 41:26 That’s basically, I guess, what this coin says, without saying. It’s really something, Teddy. Amazing. Now I have some other little tidbits that I found entertaining, and this is something I think you may like to know, in case you were confused at all about this. Apparently, the U.S. Court in the Colorado Supreme Court, the Colorado Supreme Court, found and determined that elephants are not people. (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15znkk12xjo) You know, America has been having a lot of trouble understanding gender, but also understanding animals and what they are and are not. And some people, of course, identify as animals, but animals cannot and are not people, as far as the Colorado court was concerned. And what happened here is they rejected an attempt to free five elephants from a Colorado Zoo after the court ruled that they’re not people. It was apparently an animal rights group that argued the following elephants, Missy, Kimba, Lucky, LouLou and Jambo were imprisoned at the zoo, and they filed to release the elephants from their prison. They tried to argue that elephants have the same liberty rights as people, and that elephants are people, too. But guess what? Even in Colorado, they ruled six to zero that habeas corpus only applies to persons and not non-human animals. So, there you go. Every once in a while, even a Colorado court can get it right. I guess it kind of. Page – 16 – of 18 Teddy Nappen 43:24 That kind of reminds me about that one case where the guy tried to sue the seller of the house because he didn’t tell him it was haunted. Evan Nappen 43:33 Oh, yes, and that led to the creation of ghost guns. No, just kidding. I know. All right. So I have got some great letters, some great Ask Evan letters. And I always love getting letters from my devoted listeners. And this is from John. And John says I have a question that will probably be useful to many that carry here in NJ. I received my permit to carry, and I already submitted my list of guns that I’d consider carrying, but I just got another gun. How can I add this to my list? Or is it eligible? I have not found any documentation where I can update my list. Can you guide me? Thanks. Teddy, I bet you know the answer to that question. What should they do? Teddy Nappen 44:14 You cut out like the last you cut out the last second when I was trying to hear you, Evan Nappen 44:19 I said, do you know what should you do if you want to add a gun that you want to carry? What do you do? I bet you know. Teddy Nappen 44:28 Well, yeah. There is the New Jersey State Police form that you will submit. Evan Nappen 44:33 Correct. The State Police form is right on their website. (https://www.nj.gov/njsp/firearms/forms.shtml) You print it. I think it’s what S.P.182a (PTC Additional Handguns Intended to be Carried) under the Permit to Carry section. I think is the number. It’s right there. You just simply add your new guns to it and send it in. There’s no approval. There’s no anything. You just list the gun on there that you now wish to carry, and you can. Just make sure it’s a gun that’s legal in New Jersey. But as long as it’s a legal gun that you own. I tell you not to. You have to put the serial number and all that down. You know, if you have guns that you legally have that aren’t papered, I wouldn’t de facto create a registration of any of those guns by doing this. But if you have guns that you lawfully acquired with New Jersey paper and you want to put them on your carry list, that’s all you’ve got to do. Do that form, and you’ll be all set. Thank you, John. That is a question that does frequently come up, and I wanted to mention it. Evan Nappen 44:34 This one’s from Rob. Rob says regarding PTC in a briefcase. Thanks for the informative podcast every week. You’re welcome. My question is regarding carrying a firearm in a briefcase or backpack. I have a PTC and understand a firearm must be holstered and on your person. Is it acceptable have a firearm holstered and in a backpack or briefcase? If acceptable, what about when driving? Could a person have a backpack or briefcase on the seat next to them, within their reach? Page – 17 – of 18 Evan Nappen 45:39 Okay, so if you’re going to put it in a briefcase or backpack, normally, then it should be unloaded, and then you’re transporting it and it’s in that closed case, etc. But if you want to have it loaded, it has to be, for sure, in a holster, but then it has to be carried on your person. So, if it’s in a holster, then the briefcase has to be carried on your person, or the backpack has to be carried on your person. So, if you have, like a fanny pack, even that’s on your person, and you have it in a holster in the fanny pack, and the same with the women’s purse, if it’s in a holster in the purse, the purse is on the person, that is what you must do. Now, if it’s within your dominion and control directly, you know this is where it gets a little more gray. I don’t want to see you become the test case. So, your best bet is to keep it on your person, right next to you on your person. If it has a shoulder strap, keep that over your shoulder, if you can. This is what the law is going to require until we get further guidance. So, yes, a holster is critical, and then on your person. So, if the briefcase and/or backpack is on your person, too, then the gun is on your person and it’s in a holster because the backpack out of the case or the fanny pack is on your person. Thanks for the question. Evan Nappen 47:29 This is from William. William says, good morning. I listen to your podcast every Sunday. But could you clarify something for me, as I don’t want to be a GOFU. You sure don’t want to be a GOFU. I’ve been reading that a lot of stores have a policy against concealed carry. And then he said, Costco, Whole Foods, Lowes, Home Depot, but when I go to these stores near me, I don’t see any signs that say I cannot carry. Is it okay for me to carry if they don’t have a sign posted? Evan Nappen 47:58 Well, let me put it this way, the sensitive place law in New Jersey distinguishes between private property open to the public and private property not open to the public. So, these stores are open to the public. They are not a sensitive place. So, it is not prohibited for you to carry in those places. However, if a place has a sign that says they don’t want firearms, then it’s the same as if they had a sign that says they don’t want any dogs, or they don’t want bare feet. If you violate that sign, then you’re trespassing, arguably, and they can tell you to leave, etc. But it’s not a sensitive place because they post a sign saying they don’t want guns in there. Not if they’re open to the public. But they still, as a property owner, can decide what they want or don’t want in their property. But that’s not a gun law violation. It becomes a gun law violation when it’s private property, not open to the public. Then they need to have a sign that says that carry is welcome, or you need to get permission of the property owner if it is private property not open to the public. But if you go up to Home Depot and there’s no sign saying anything about no guns, they’re not making you a trespasser because there’s no sign saying no guns that’s open to the public. You can go in and their “policy”. Well, I don’t know what their policy is. I don’t even know if you’re correct, and you say that’s their policy. Who cares? Policy schmalacy. The bottom line is, there’s nothing prohibiting you under the gun law, and if there’s no sign preventing it, then you’re good to go. You can carry in that regard. That’s how sensitive place works, and that’s the distinction between private property open to the public and not. Evan Nappen 49:54 This is from Kevin, and I’m going to roll this into our GOFU, which is, of course, our Gun Owner Fuck Up, because you don’t want to commit a GOFU. A GOFU is an expensive lesson that is often learned Page – 18 – of 18 by the otherwise law-abiding gun owner, in which they may, in fact, go to prison, lose their freedom, lose their rights, lose their license, all kinds of bad stuff. And we get to learn that lesson for free. Now this isn’t something where a GOFU was committed, but it has the potential. So, let’s look at this question regarding making airsoft gun parts. Thanks for taking my question, Mr. Nappen. My sons, 16 and 17 years old, are involved in the sport of air soft. For Christmas, one of them received a 3D printer and may have printed a butterfly knife and maybe a forward grip for an air soft rifle. I didn’t think there was a problem with printing a plastic toy knife. I told him to stop printing anything else that may be gun related. The air soft guns are replicas of real guns. Can he get himself into trouble? Thanks for all that you do. And then it says, PS, he has purchased a block of redwood that he wants to make a forearm for his air soft. Evan Nappen 51:07 Okay, so here’s the deal. Printing of gun parts is prohibited, 3d printing of gun parts. The problem is, if you’re 3D printing soft air parts, they’re often interchangeable readily with guns. So, you’re going to embark in a very treacherous area that could very easily turn into a GOFU. So, I do not recommend 3D printing any gun parts. Even though soft airs themselves are not viewed as firearms in New Jersey, it doesn’t matter when it comes to gun parts that they can then have a prosecutor’s expert demonstrate that the forearm also attaches to, let’s say, an AR-15, etc. So, this is where it can get very dangerous and very problematic. Evan Nappen 51:57 Now, 3D printing a toy knife. Well, that is just a toy, and it’s a knife. There’s nothing about 3D printing toys, and toys are toys. A butterfly knife, if it’s an actual knife, that may they try to regulate that under they’ll sometimes try to claim it’s a gravity knife, but this isn’t a real knife that he’s making. You said it’s a toy. So, a 3D printed toy is not prohibited. But, if it’s not a toy, then you’re essentially manufacturing what they could argue is a gravity knife, and that could be a crime for you in New Jersey. Whether they would aggressively look to enforce it, I don’t know, but it is something that could fall under that definition. Now, taking wood and making a forearm, there is some exemption in the gun making language of New Jersey for gun smithing and stuff with a set aside wood, parts wood, if it’s strictly for the forearm, for the airsoft, if it’s simply a carved wood, you’re not 3d printing it, that probably has a low chance of being a problem in that regard. But you know how crazy New Jersey is. You don’t want to be a GOFU, so please be careful. Evan Nappen 53:21 This is Evan Nappen, reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. 53:30 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state. Downloadable PDF Transcript Gun Lawyer S3 E222_Transcript About The Host Evan Nappen, Esq. 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Episode 221 Lies, Damn Lies and Anti-Gun Lies Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer– Episode 221 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Gun control, anti-gun propaganda, school shootings, gun-free zones, defensive firearm use, crime statistics, gun rights, Arizona law, Colorado law, National Reciprocity Bill, ATF elimination, gun safety counseling, New Jersey gun law, Caltech PR 57, Safe carry. SPEAKERS Speaker 3, Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen Evan Nappen 00:14 I’m Evan Nappen. Also, in the studio we have, who is this mystery person? Who is it? Teddy Nappen 00:23 Oh, that’s easy. It’s me, Teddy. Evan Nappen 00:25 Teddy Nappen, who’s also an attorney and a member of my firm. Evan Nappen 00:29 Welcome to gun lawyer. Yes, you are. I know. One of these days. Well, Teddy, I understand that you have been looking at some very interesting statistics that fall under the label of propaganda. Why don’t you tell us about what you found? Teddy Nappen 00:29 And your son! Teddy Nappen 00:51 So, I think we’re going to start with this as, we’re calling it the Press Checks. Evan Nappen 00:57 Press Checks. So, that’ll be the name of your segment. We’ll call it Press Checks. And you know, what about press checks, Teddy? Teddy Nappen 01:05 They’re always free. Evan Nappen 01:06 That’s right. Press checks are free. So, we’re going to check the press with our Press Checks. And always, press check your gun. Go ahead, tell us, Teddy. Page – 2 – of 11 Teddy Nappen 01:15 So, I want to start off with this. One of the biggest weapons of the left and the Democrats and the anti- gunners, they love . . . Evan Nappen 01:27 You mean the gun rights oppressors? Teddy Nappen 01:29 the gun rights oppressors. You know, the right snatchers, any other form of . . . They’re just monsters. That’s what they are. But the one thing they love is to quote statistics. I always think back to my math teacher, where he comes walking in and looks at us and says, yeah, statistics are BS, and here’s how they fake them. And it just dawned on me, because, you know, 86% of statistics are wrong. Evan Nappen 01:31 That’s right, they are. Not only that, my quote that I remember is statistics are like prisoners of war. You can torture them to say anything you want. Teddy Nappen 01:52 Yeah. Evan Nappen 01:56 And what are the antis doing? Our dear friends, the oppressors. Teddy Nappen 02:12 Well, this is actually one that caught my eye and what kind of sparked this whole segment. So, the Hill, everyone, you know, everyone loves the Hill. They were talking about how different anti-gun groups were miscounting school shootings because they had different definitions of what school shootings meant. (https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2025/01/12/everytown-still-counting-non-school- shootings-school-shootings/) and Everytown (for Gun Safety Support Fund), oh, everyone, everyone loves Everytown. Of course, Bloomberg Evan Nappen 02:48 Right. Bloomturd’s own personal, anti-gun propaganda, rights suppression machine . . . Teddy Nappen 02:53 So, they would count for every single shooting, every time a firearm was discharged, inside or outside or near the campus grounds. This included things where persons either being shot or not shot, or if a firearm was discharged. So, if a security guard slipped and fell, and the gun went off, oh, that was a school shooting. Evan Nappen 02:54 So, even if a guy was hunting near the school property. There’s a school shooting. Page – 3 – of 11 Teddy Nappen 02:57 Yep, a school shooting. But, you know, we have the greatest, largest amount of school shootings in our country. But here is, and this is something to kind of look. I want to give this out to everyone, because these are the facts. Whenever you see someone say these lines, remember these, and you will spit them right back, and they will say, what? So, the one we always like to see. We always hear the words; more gun control would prevent school shootings. You know? You know? That’s very true, right? Right? Except for the crime research in Chicago University, John Lott, 94% of all mass shootings occur in “gun free zones” since the 1950s. 94%. Teddy Nappen 02:57 Hummm . . in the victim disarmament zones that they euphemistically call gun free zones. Teddy Nappen 03:27 Yeah, and it’s one of those where it’s very disgusting. Of course, they don’t talk about the few times when armed teachers actually stopped the shooter. But you can’t talk about that. Evan Nappen 04:38 Well, that would be a school shooting according to Everytown. Teddy Nappen 04:39 Of course. Whoop, Oh, no. The other one, and this is something they always love to tote. You heard this from camel toe, him herself. Sorry, I assumed her gender again. Evan Nappen 04:43 Be careful. Teddy Nappen 04:55 I know. The number one, let me be clear, let me be clear, the number one killer of children is firearms, let me be clear. Evan Nappen 05:05 Oh, God, yeah. Teddy Nappen 05:06 Except the number one killer of children is accidents, a child is more likely . . . Evan Nappen 05:11 And not gun accidents. Teddy Nappen 05:16 No accidents. Evan Nappen 05:18 Just accidents. Page – 4 – of 11 Teddy Nappen 05:19 Accidents. They are 11 times more likely to die from an accident than a firearm. Evan Nappen 05:27 Well, we should ban accidents. Teddy Nappen 05:29 I know. And you know what else we should ban? Cancer. Children are three times more likely to die of cancer than firearms. Evan Nappen 05:38 Well, we’ve got to pass some laws like that. It’ll work. Teddy Nappen 05:42 I know. That’s why they banned, what is it? Red number three or red number four that causes cancer. Evan Nappen 05:47 Hmm. Teddy Nappen 05:48 So, this is, that is another one they will always say, and they always tote, and it drives me quite insane every time I hear that. You know, I’ve got to say. Well, here’s something to really throw them on their heads, and this is what they do. The way they make their argument is in the statistics. It’s the number that these are quoted from, are ages one to 14. The way they skew it is they go from one to 19. They include adults in gang-related violence. So, a 19 year old gang banger is apparently in this statistic, making the argument that guns are the number one killer of “children”. Here’s just some advice, you know, to help lower that statistic, don’t join a gang in Memphis. So, . . . Evan Nappen 06:43 They also count the ages I have, what, like, like 26 they consider them a child or some ridiculousness, yeah. Teddy Nappen 06:49 So, they include up to age 19. It was the one when they added 16 to 19. So, all people 18-19, which you know, that’s adults, 18 to 19. So, that’s how they fool the statistics. Now here’s the statistic that wins the day. You hear this every time. You hear this from all of them. If it saves one life, we should pass gun control. If it saves one life. Well, from the CDC, the defensive firearm uses from National Academics annually, 500,000 to 3 million lives are saved from defensive use of a firearm. Evan Nappen 06:54 Well, that’s more than one, isn’t it? Page – 5 – of 11 Teddy Nappen 07:21 Yeah, 1.6 million of a recorded defense use of a firearm on average this year. Evan Nappen 07:38 So, if it saves one life, we need to get rid of gun laws. More guns, more lives are saved. Teddy Nappen 07:50 Yep. Evan Nappen 07:52 And that one life that gets saved might be your own, by the way. Teddy Nappen 07:55 No kidding. And the last one, and this is something. We’re just going to take a step back. You always hear, you’ve been hearing this, we gotta ban guns, but also crime is down. Didn’t you know that, Dad? I didn’t know crime is down. Evan Nappen 08:08 Really? Crime is down? Teddy Nappen 08:10 I know. I should go on a subway. Evan Nappen 08:12 Yeah, that’s right. Teddy Nappen 08:13 I feel so safe. Except the FBI just modified their reports as only about 30% of crime is reported, and they did not include New York. Evan Nappen 08:24 Oh, well, New York, that’s because they have no crime in New York. Why would you include a place with no crime? Teddy Nappen 08:30 I know, right? So, if you ever hear someone say crime is down, . . . Evan Nappen 08:36 except when you combine the major cities where their crime is insane. Yep, then it’s not down. Teddy Nappen 08:45 These are just bits that I hope that people can take away, because they always try to make the argument that they are on the right side. They’re on the side of facts and logic. Although, they can’t tell Page – 6 – of 11 the difference between a man and a woman. We are on the side of facts and logic. We are on the side of truth and statistics. Don’t let them take away that. Evan Nappen 09:11 That’s right, and this Monday is liberation day in America, when the senile sock puppet finally ends his campaign of destroying America and we get President Trump, who has sworn to uphold the Second Amendment and has promised to not only sign but pursue national reciprocity and eliminate every senile sock puppet Executive Order about which there are, like 50 regarding gun rights oppression. All of them are going to go. It is a new dawn, a new day for our rights, and we are going to make incredible progress. I’m going to get more into that, into the show. Let me though talk to you, because the gun rights oppressors, they always double down. The gun rights oppressors never sleep, and they always come up with new and more inventive and more oppressive ways to prohibit firearms. Evan Nappen 10:22 One of those new proposals we’ll find in Arizona. So, Arizona has such a common sense, reasonable law proposed here, in which the law says any household with kids has to have the guns removed. (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/government-report-suggests-removing-guns-from-arizona-homes- with-kids/) That’s right. Did you know that having a kid will be a firearm disqualifier if this law were to pass in Arizona? That sounds entirely reasonable, right? It’s unbelievable. And you think of Arizona as a pro-gun rights state, and it is. I don’t think this law has much chance of passing. I sure hope not. But the bottom line is, this is the kind of idiotic thinking that the gun rights oppressors have, and it doesn’t end with Arizona. Evan Nappen 11:22 Another western state, Colorado, that used to be a very pro-gun state, but got invaded by folks from like, you know, California. Teddy Nappen 11:35 Pot heads. Evan Nappen 11:36 Right. So that now Colorado has been turning toward gun rights oppression, and they have a law proposed. First, they preface it with a ban on rapid-fire trigger activators and bump stocks. (https://coloradosun.com/2025/01/08/colorado-semiautomatic-detachable-magazine-gun-ban/) And we know that semi-automatic firearms are semi-automatic. They’re not machine guns. We’re going to see a lot of progress in restoring our rights concerning those guns. But they preface the bill with that. Then what the bill does is it bans any semi-automatic firearm that takes a detachable magazine. That’s right, folks. Any rifle, any shotgun, any handgun that uses a detachable mag will end up being falling under this ban being proposed in Colorado. (Senate Bill 3.) So, yet another gun rights oppressive, extremist move, even though the tide has changed. Even though we have the trifecta on the Second Amendment in the Supreme Court, they just never quit. Page – 7 – of 11 Evan Nappen 12:56 Hey, let me tell you about our good friends at WeShoot, and this week at we shoot, they are offering some very interesting things I want to make you aware of. Number one is the Walther Q4 Match SF, a high-performance, steel-framed pistol which is built for precision, speed, and unmatched control. They also have the IWI, that’s the Israel Weapons Industry, Z-15 Zion, which is an “other”. And you know what an other is. It is not a rifle or shotgun or handgun. It is, in fact, called an “other”. It’s a versatile AR platform designed for the tactical enthusiast who demands reliability and performance. And you know, when Israel makes a gun, it is damn good. They also have a Glock 19X. That’s a crossover pistol blending the best features of the Glock 17 and 19, which offers maximum versatility, capacity and reliability. So, WeShoot has some pretty cool stuff. You can go there and check it out. They also have the Phlster Enigma holster, which gives you freedom to carry in any outfit. It is really great. Evan Nappen 14:32 WeShoot is a fantastic indoor range. It’s where I shoot, and it’s where Teddy shoots. It’s where we got our training and certification. And you can go there, too. They’re conveniently located in Lakewood, New Jersey, an easy, quick ride right off the Parkway. Let me also mention something very special about WeShoot, and that is WeShoot is sponsoring a seminar on New Jersey gun law. And guess who will be giving this seminar on gun law? That’s right, yours truly. Gun lawyer Evan Nappen will be giving the seminar. This seminar is sponsored by U.S. Law Shield, the Lakewood Scoop, which is the great newspaper in Lakewood, and WeShoot. This is going to be on Thursday, January 30, from six to 8pm. It’ll be located at Premier Events, 1930 Lakewood Road, Unit 110, in Toms River. If you want to go to this seminar, go to U.S. Law Shields website. (https://ww2.uslawshield.com/events/) Select your state – New Jersey, and you can register for this seminar. I’m going to be there. We’re going to be talking about all the gun laws and answering everybody’s questions. You’ll learn a lot and have a good time. I want to thank our good friends at U.S. Law Shield, WeShoot and The Lakewood Scoop for making this happen. I hope to see you there. Evan Nappen 16:15 Also, don’t forget our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. The Association is the gun rights organization for New Jersey. They’re the stalwart defenders that are in the courts and in the legislature, keeping an eye on the shenanigans and fighting these horrible gun laws. We are waiting for results that should happen anytime now from their litigation over the modern sporting rifle ban, the standard magazine capacity ban, the Carry Killer law, all those sensitive places hopefully leave, as the senile sock puppet is leaving. Hopefully his trail of destruction will follow him, including the attack on our gun rights. Make sure that you belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. That’s anjrpc.org. You’ll get a great newsletter mailed to you. Best in the state. You’ll get email alerts, so you’ll know what’s going on. You can be part of the solution and fight the problem of the deprivation of rights that happens in New Jersey. Evan Nappen 17:43 Now I’ll tell you what’s interesting. I subscribe to a lot of gun rights related organizations and aggregate news sites. That’s how I bring you these news bits and keep you on top of what’s going on. I also belong to what I call opposition research. Oppo research is the anti-gun organizations. I don’t actually pay them to belong, but I sign up for their newsletters and what have you. One of them is the gun rights Page – 8 – of 11 oppressive mouthpiece of Bloomberg called The Trace. They put out what’s called The Weekly Briefing. And I really loved this most recent Weekly Briefing. If you look at it with a pro-gun rights eye, it makes me extremely happy. Because The Trace is bitching and moaning about what’s to come with the Trump administration, and they put forward a very handy list of things we can look forward to as the other side looks on with dread. Evan Nappen 19:03 Some of the things that they point out that I want to alert you to is Senator John Cornyn, who’s joined already by 44 co-sponsors on the national reciprocity bill. I can’t wait to have that happen, so that we’ll be able to carry and be free Americans. No longer victims but defenders throughout all of America. That is on the table, and that is their number one fear. It will be the game changer for gun rights, bar none, because once everybody is carrying and protecting themselves, we have hit the crest of the expansion of our rights. From there, we can expand to Constitutional carry and the understanding and acceptance of the power of the armed individual will be known far and wide. Evan Nappen 20:01 They’re also very upset with Eric Burlison, who is a rep from Missouri. He’s joined by 19 co-sponsors, including Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert, introducing the “Abolish the ATF” bill. That’s right. A bill has been put forward to eliminate, get rid of, put in the trash heap of history, the ATF. Burlison has also put forward a bill to repeal the (1968) National Firearms Act. Both things need to be done. Post haste. I’m sure we’ll have an uphill climb, but who knows? At least it’s out there with gun rights bills being put forward without fear. It is . . . Teddy Nappen 20:56 Did they mention the Hughes, did they mention the Hughes Amendment at all? Evan Nappen 21:01 Yes, the Hughes Amendment, which bans the new manufacturer of machine guns, would be eliminated with the elimination of the NFA. Yes. So, that’s right, Teddy. Teddy Nappen 21:12 They finally have, we can finally have a happy switch. Evan Nappen 21:16 That’s right. A happy switch that’s no way distinguished from any other firearm that’s a personally owned firearm. Michigan representative Jack Bergman, who has 76 co-sponsors, has proposed legislation to “prohibit the Federal Government from entering into contracts with an entity that discriminates against the firearm and ammunition industry, and for any other purposes.” That will slam the gun rights oppressors. Evan Nappen 21:50 Idaho Senator James Risch announced a bill to prevent the government from making a gun registry and requiring the ATF to delete all existing firearm transaction records. It would also strip the ATF of some of its authority over firearm imports. They have secretly compiled almost a billion gun owner Page – 9 – of 11 records unlawfully. This will destroy them and get rid of these transaction records so that we avoid the slippery slope of registration. And you know the four words: Legislation, Registration, Confiscation, and then Extermination. And if you don’t believe it, then you don’t know history. Teddy Nappen 22:49 It makes me kind of curious. If they eliminate the ATF, is there going to be a boon in tobacco? Evan Nappen 22:55 Hmm, good point. I don’t know, but hopefully cigars will be cheaper. I’d like that. Virginia Representative Ben Cline has put a bill forward to remove silencers from the definition of firearm, and that’s, of course, under the NFA. If we can’t get the whole NFA repealed, let’s at least get silencers or suppressors off the list, and SBRs off the list. You name it, the whole NFA should go. But it’s great to see more pro-gun rights legislation. Finally, they are very fearful of Andrew Clyde of Georgia, who’s proposed barring Medicaid funds from being used for firearm safety counseling. That would reverse the public health effort of the White House, according to The Trace, who had a plan to reimburse for gun injury risk screening and safe storage counseling and sharing gun prevention resources. This is double speak for taking away your gun rights. Evan Nappen 24:08 So, these are some great things, but it doesn’t end there. There’s an article in AmmoLand, one of the great news sources that I review for the listeners and myself. This is an article by one of my favorite authors, Dean Weingarten, who makes a point about the truck drivers suing to restore the right to bear arms across state lines. (https://www.ammoland.com/2025/01/truck-drivers-sue-to-restore-right-to-bear- arms-across-state-lines/) In addition to our push for national reciprocity, there is a lawsuit now being brought by truck drivers, specifically in the District of Minnesota, which to quote, the great Dean Weingarten, “The lawsuit contends Minnesota, and in particular, the Commissioner for the Department of Public Safety, is infringing on the exercise of their Second Amendment rights . . .” And they’re doing so because they refuse to recognize all carry permits in America. They only recognize about 20 states. They refuse to recognize the other 29, which include Texas, Florida, and Georgia. In other words, millions of law-abiding citizens who lawfully bear arms in their home states cannot do so while visiting the state of Minnesota. They make it interesting. Teddy Nappen 25:36 Yeah, we Minnesotans take that very seriously, their permitting licenses, and we don’t recognize it beyond the things that we can read. Evan Nappen 25:46 That’s not terrible for a Minnesota accent, but you don’t have it as well as the actors do in Fargo. That’s for sure. But hey, hey, but it’s right. So, this is yet another pro-gun effort, and it’s great to see us on the offensive. I love it. It is a new day. It is a new dawn. It is really cool. Page – 10 – of 11 Evan Nappen 26:11 Now I received an interesting Ask Evan question, and this is from Roy. Roy says, hi, thanks for fighting the good fight. Can we legally own a pistol like the Keltec PR57 which does not have a magazine? It holds 20 rounds in the grip and is loaded via stripper clips. Evan Nappen 26:36 So, if any of you have my book, New Jersey Gun Law, and I strongly suggest you get my book. It is the Bible of New Jersey gun law. You can buy your copy at EvanNappen.com. It’s over 500 pages with 120 topics, all in a question and answer format. I have entire chapters on assault firearms and large capacity magazines and plenty more. Everything you need to know. This book will be of tremendous help in keeping you out of New Jersey’s jail, prison, and losing your freedom and your gun rights and becoming a felon. When you get the book, scan the QR code on the front and get in on my free subscriber database. It’s private. When you do that, you can then access the archive and download the 2025 Comprehensive Update, which keeps your book absolutely current. And as new things change in New Jersey, I will send out alerts, and you can download the new stuff, so you stay current. That’s my mission in life. My labor of love. Get your book. Get it today at EvanNappen.com. Evan Nappen 27:56 But what is the story on that Keltec PR57? It’s a very interesting gun. It holds 20 rounds in the grip, and it does not take a detachable magazine. So, one thing is, the PR57 might be a definite way around the ban proposed in Colorado because it doesn’t take a detachable magazine. But how does it play out in New Jersey? Well, New Jersey defines magazine as any box, tube, container or drum that will fire continuously and directly out of any semi-automatic firearm with a capacity that’s over 15 rounds, 10 rounds. Sorry. It used to be 15, but now it’s 10 rounds. So, the issue becomes, is the gun itself a magazine? Now, New Jersey, I’m sure, would try to argue that that handgun has a fixed magazine, and there has not been a case in New Jersey to decide whether the ban on magazines includes fixed magazines. It may very well. Evan Nappen 29:21 Keltec, on their site, says it’s not a magazine. It uses clips, stripper clips, to load, and doesn’t use a magazine. But is the internal device going to be viewed as a fixed magazine? I don’t know. I don’t think you want to become the test case. I would argue, of course, strenuously, that it isn’t a magazine. It doesn’t detach. But that is yet to be determined. Your best bet for now is not to risk it, unfortunately, because it’s not clear. As far as it being an assault firearm, it’s not an assault firearm because it’s not a semi-automatic rifle that uses a detachable magazine, and it’s not a semi-automatic rifle that uses a fixed magazine. Semi-automatic handguns, that use fixed magazines that exceed 10 rounds, is not part of the definition of an assault firearm. So, it’s not an assault firearm. That’s clear. But it is not clear whether the internal device itself would be deemed a fixed magazine. It is a great question, and technology can change how the law plays out, so I appreciate that very much. Teddy Nappen 30:43 I could honestly see it going where you always have that issue in court, where it’s going to be, well, counselor, that’s a fact question, and then you have to convince a jury what a magazine is and is not. Page – 11 – of 11 Evan Nappen 30:55 Exactly, Teddy, and it may very well come down to that having to be a jury question, where 12 people who aren’t smart enough to avoid jury duty have to decide that issue. So, it can be a little treacherous. I would beware, but yet, a great question, and I appreciate it. Evan Nappen 31:16 Now I have another question, and this is going to actually flow into our GOFU. Now the GOFU, of course, is the most popular segment of the show. That is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. And why do we talk about GOFUs? Because GOFUs are expensive lessons that individuals have paid a high price to learn, that you get to learn for free. So, let’s read this letter. This is from Ron. Ron says Evan, this week’s question for the expert, when carrying a firearm in the car, are we allowed to not have our firearm on our person, such as having it under dash magnetic holder? It would be much easier to access a firearm if need be. Evan Nappen 32:02 Now, of course, Ron hasn’t committed a GOFU, and he wants to avoid being a GOFU. So, he wants to know about that, and it also blends into another tale of woe I want to tell you about. As far as Ron’s specific question, unfortunately, we cannot do that. The law requires us to carry our firearm in a holster on our person. So, you can carry your gun in a holster on your person while in your vehicle. That is not prohibited. Under the Carry Killer law, it was not allowed, but that section has been stayed. It’s been enjoined. Excuse me, not stayed. It’s been enjoined by the Federal Court, and even in the appeal, that injunction was not stayed, meaning we can carry our loaded concealed handgun with a carry permit in our vehicle, as long as it’s in a holster that is a proper holster, one that conceals the body of the firearm and the trigger and is on our person. So, that’s why those magnetic holsters are not acceptable at the moment in New Jersey. Evan Nappen 33:15 Now the GOFU on the next level is carrying your gun loaded in the car in any way, and that means in a glove box, under your seat, etc. If you’re carrying it loaded in that manner, then the Government will try to argue, even though you have a carry permit, that you were not properly carrying it in a holster on your person. This is called Safe Carry in New Jersey. Safe Carry, yeah. It’s a load of bullshit is what it is, but that’s what they call it. And therefore, the requirement, arguably, is to be in a holster. Now, the Constitutionality of that is, of course, always in question. But in order to not be a GOFU, do not carry your gun loaded in your vehicle unless it is in a holster on your person. Evan Nappen 34:11 This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. Speaker 3 34:25 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. 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Episode 220-Can A Convicted Felon Possess Nukes? Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer– Episode 220 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS President Trump, felony conviction, falsifying business records, political motivation, New York justice system, Second Amendment, gun rights, felon disenfranchisement, national reciprocity, HR 38, Colorado gun ban, semi-automatic firearms, Supreme Court cases, brandishing, criminal threatening. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen Evan Nappen 00:15 I am Evan Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, today I have in the studio with me my son, Teddy Nappen. Teddy is also an attorney, and he is also a member of the law firm. Teddy, how are you doing? Teddy Nappen 00:38 I’m doing quite well. You know, I was thinking, as a guest, I’d be the son of a son of a gun of a lawyer. Evan Nappen 00:47 That’s pretty good. I think, Teddy Nappen 00:49 Yeah, there you go. Evan Nappen 00:50 You would qualify for that. Oh, and Jimmy Buffett would be proud to hear that. So, Teddy and I, we love to discuss guns and politics and all that fun stuff. And I’m very happy today to have Teddy co-hosting Gun Lawyer with me. And, of course, we’ve had some excitement in the news. The final curtain of the lawfare has taken its bow, and that being Judge Mershon in making sure that the Scarlet Letter of an “F” is attached to President Trump. That “F” for being a convicted Felon. Because having been sentenced, President Trump is now a convicted felon and that was their goal. Of course, the entire lawfare backfired and helped to get Trump elected. But this is particularly disgusting to see the demise of the justice system in New York, being abused for political purposes and law fair purposes, and to see just such a railroading take place with so many reversible errors. I am confident that, on appeal, President Trump will be victorious. But, Teddy, I know you’ve been reading a lot about this and such. What do you have to share regarding President Trump’s ordeal? Teddy Nappen 02:44 Well, to start with, for him to wear the, you know, the scarlet letter, the “F”, really, he should treat it like a badge of honor. Because that just won him the election. Because that surged his polling. The political attacks by the Democrat-controlled Government basically led to his polling time. He was actually tied Page – 2 – of 13 with DeSantis, and then it just surged him over where he won the election. So, really, it helped him out greatly. So, good job on (Alvin) Bragg on that one. Teddy Nappen 03:14 But to break it down even further, he was convicted of 34 charges of falsifying business records. So, to start that off, he was convicted of a felony without actually being convicted of anything. Now that sounds quite insane, but you know, that’s the law at times. And one of the things, Evan Nappen 03:41 How did they do that? How did they do that? Teddy Nappen 03:44 Well, it’s kind of interesting and also very sad. So, it dates back all the way to a prosecutor by the name of DA Alvin Bragg, a Soros-backed DA. When Soros was interview Evan Nappen 03:59 Oh, our Medal of Freedom winner. Teddy Nappen 04:01 Yeah, the Medal of Freedom winner. You know Evan Nappen 04:03 He and who was it? A skeleton who also got the Medal of Freedom from the senile sock puppet? Teddy Nappen 04:09 I believe, you are referring to Hillary Clinton. But close enough. You know, Soros was actually interviewed on it, and he just threw his hands up and screamed, the Jews are in the attic and then ran away. But you know, besides, Evan Nappen 04:20 That sounds like Soros. Teddy Nappen 04:21 Yeah, so it starts off with the DA, where they had, the crime that he was actually charged with was a misdemeanor. Now here’s the problem. The statute of limitations had run out. It was far exceeding it. So, they thought, okay, we’ve got to think this through. So, they decided, let’s make it a felony, but how are they going to do that? So, DA Bragg elevated it to a Class E Felony, stating he falsified records to cover up a crime. Now, here’s the problem. What crime? And to this day, they still don’t know what the crime is. Then they raised it to the statute of limitations, but it still didn’t meet that. But luckily, COVID, you know, something, something, China, was able to pause the statute limitations. So, then they could just get him in there so they could charge him and convict him of this crime. Page – 3 – of 13 Teddy Nappen 05:16 Now, looking at the facts that, by the way, for all the people who keep hearing this was a “hush money” trial, stop calling it that. Stormy Daniels had nothing to do with this entire case. She owes Trump hundreds of 1000s of dollars after he won the other case, and she was caught lying multiple times. There was a note saying nothing happened. All this stuff. What it came down to is their “star witness”, Michael Cohen, who, by the way, admitted he had stolen the money that caused the errors in the account. Which, you know, stealing money typically causes an error in accounting. But you know they wanted to go after the person who actually put in the money, not the accountant who stole it. But that’s neither here nor there. Always a good thing, you know. But going from that. I’ll let you go. Do you have a question? Evan Nappen 06:12 Well, yeah, one of the things I’m wondering about is, so now they ended up recently sentencing President Trump, and his sentence was an unconditional, essentially unconditional discharge. So, there’s no probation, no jail time, no fine. Essentially, no punishment whatsoever, other than now officially being a convicted felon. So, all this accomplished was The Scarlet Letter. That’s it, and that was their trophy that they had to end the charade with, apparently. Do you disagree? Teddy Nappen 07:00 Well, it’s actually quite hilarious. With the charges, I think they were trying to total it up, and it was like 20 years of prison for the charges. Yeah, you know. No, no, nothing, no punishment whatsoever. But what was very disgusting is they had a whistleblower, well, an unintended whistleblower. He was talking to a hot woman at the bar who had a camera. Evan Nappen 07:26 A honey pot. Was this a honey pot set up? Teddy Nappen 07:28 Oh, it was 100% a honey pot on Nicholas Biase. He was the DOJ Chief of Public Affairs in the District of New York. He knew all the players. Everyone in the court personally knew DA Alvin Bragg, and he admits that these charges were politically motivated. That Bragg was stacking charges and rearranging them to make them fit. And he even said to him that every real estate person in New York does this exact thing. So that, you know, it just gives a little perspective on how well New York’s run. The fact that Evan Nappen 08:02 So, this was somewhat of a selective prosecution, huh? Teddy Nappen 08:05 Oh, 100% and what I really love is how Judge (Juan) Merchan, who, I’ll ask this is you, dad, as someone who’s dealt with juries? Have you ever had a judge read to the jury, okay, here’s the list of possible crimes you could choose for the defendant to have done. Pick one, and you don’t have to be unanimous about it. Just think, he did Page – 4 – of 13 Evan Nappen 08:31 No need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and have a unanimous jury on the crime you’re picking. That’s convenient. Teddy Nappen 08:38 Yeah, you know. And also, the fact that he stopped his own experts from coming up, from testifying, the various gag orders where he wasn’t even allowed to speak. I mean, Evan Nappen 08:49 Judge Merchan is at least nowadays, as far as I know, he’s a man. There were other female judges. Teddy Nappen 08:55 Oh, sorry, sorry about that. Evan Nappen 08:58 I know it’s difficult these days to keep those things straight. I get it. Teddy Nappen 09:01 Wait, did you just assume that judge’s gender? Evan Nappen 09:04 I unfortunately did. So, maybe I’m guilty of that, but everyone else seems to be doing that. So, there you go. Well, the interesting thing now is that Trump is a felon, and as a felon, he loses a number of his civil rights, one of which is his right to vote. So, if this doesn’t get tossed by an appeal before the midterm elections, he won’t be able to vote for folks in the midterm elections as a convicted felon. The other thing that is, of course, most concerning to us is that President Trump is barred from possessing firearms. He is a convicted felon, and felons are prohibited from possessing guns under federal law, and most state laws, too, have laws on that similar subject. Evan Nappen 10:04 Under federal law, it says, any person convicted of a crime, the penalty for which exceeds one year . . .This is under Title 18. . . . is a prohibited person . . . That phrase, “a penalty exceeding one year” is defined as offenses that are not misdemeanors, unless it is a misdemeanor that carries over two years. I know. Leave it to the feds to make two years of a misdemeanor, not a crime that exceeds one year. Is that confusing enough? I sure think so. The bottom line is, President Trump is now a prohibited person for firearm possession. But luckily, he is allowed to possess nuclear weapons, as a matter of fact, the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, at least one of the largest. I don’t know what China has. China is adding a lot of nukes to their arsenal under the senile sock puppet’s administration, of course. Teddy Nappen 11:19 But those are just the ones we know about too. Page – 5 – of 13 Evan Nappen 11:21 Right. Exactly. So, President Trump still has the Commander-in Chief status. He has the armed forces at his disposal, and every weapon that the Armed Forces has. From firearms to nukes to bayonets, you name it. So, this is really an insane situation. Evan Nappen 11:45 It brings up something very important for which President Trump can take action now to resolve. Not just for himself, but to help thousands of other people. You see, the felon in possession, the prohibition on felons having firearms, is unbelievably unfair for so many reasons. One of the reasons that we’ve discussed on the show before is the institutionalized racism that exists in felony conviction land where blacks are convicted felons at a ratio of almost six to one to whites and Hispanics are convicted felons at about two to one to whites. So, you are now prohibiting, in terms of racial discrimination, disproportionate numbers of individuals from being able to exercise their Second Amendment rights. Evan Nappen 12:58 Now, some of you may think, well, I don’t think a felon should be able to have a gun, and you may be primarily thinking of violent felons. But the bottom line is this prohibitor ends up stopping a far, far larger majority of people that are non-violent offenders. People whose convictions are years and years old, and they still cannot regain their gun rights if they have a federal felony conviction. Evan Nappen 13:38 Now, why is that? Let me tell you. Under Title 18, Section 925, the law actually has a provision for what is called Relief from Disabilities. Under the relief from disabilities law, and I’ll read it to you right here. It’s under 925 and it’s subsection c., “A person who is prohibited from possessing, shipping, transporting, or receiving firearms or ammunition may make application to the Attorney General for relief from the disabilities imposed by Federal laws with respect to the acquisition, receipt, transfer, shipment, transportation, or possession of firearms, and the Attorney General may grant such relief if it is established to his satisfaction that the circumstances regarding the disability, and the applicant’s record and reputation, are such that the applicant will not be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety and that the granting of the relief would not be contrary to the public interest. Any person whose application for relief from disabilities is denied by the Attorney General may file a petition with the United States district court for the district in which he resides for a judicial review of such denial. The court may in its discretion admit additional evidence where failure to do so would result in a miscarriage of justice. . . . Whenever the Attorney General grants relief to any person pursuant to this section he shall promptly publish in the Federal Register notice of such action, together with the reasons therefore.” Evan Nappen 15:50 Now, here’s this law that says individuals that have convictions, that are shown to be good people, shown not to be a problem with public safety, etc, and other good causes, they can apply to have their relief granted so that their Second Amendment rights can be restored. The problem, however, is that the law, which I just read you, is not funded by the federal government. In 1992, essentially, at the urging of Senator Charles Schumer and Company, the appropriations for funds to process these applications has been prohibited. So, the ATF is not allowed to proceed with any such applications. Page – 6 – of 13 Evan Nappen 17:03 There was a case, United States v. (Thomas Lamar) Bean, like rice and beans, Bean. (No. 01-704, 537 U.S. 71) This was from 2002, and believe it or not, it was Saint Thomas, Judge Thomas, who wrote the majority opinion in this case. Mr. Bean, not to be confused with the actor, the comedy actor (Rowan Atkinson), was a licensed firearms dealer. He drove his vehicle from Texas into Mexico for dinner, and his vehicle was stopped at the border. They found in the back of his vehicle, in plain view, approximately 200 rounds of ammo. Now, according to Mr. Bean, he had instructed his associates to remove any firearms and ammunition from the vehicle. But inexplicably, one box remained. The respondent, Mr. Bean, was convicted in a Mexican court of importing ammo into Mexico and sentenced to five years imprisonment. Now, because of this felony conviction, he was prohibited under federal law, under Title 18, 922, g.1., which is the felon in possession, prohibition from possessing, distributing, or receiving firearms or ammunition. Evan Nappen 18:44 And so, in reliance on Section 925(c), the relief from disabilities that I just read to you previously, he applied to ATF for relief, pursuant to the law. But ATF returned his application unprocessed, explaining that its annual appropriations law forbade it from expending any funds to investigate or act upon applications such as respondent’s. So, he went to the Fifth Circuit Court and said, look, ATF isn’t moving on my application. The law says that the court can correct a wrongful denial and that we can have the court grant the relief that ATF won’t do. And in the Bean case, what judge decided is, unfortunately, if there is a non-appropriation of funds to act upon the application, then you do not have a right to go to court to seek your relief. This meant that Mr. Bean could not get his rights restored, and neither can anyone else, and that’s Teddy Nappen 20:08 He should have tried to get hired by the ATF for the Fast and Furious program. Evan Nappen 20:12 Well, yeah, all the hypocrisy aside, what it means is that since 1992, anyone who is a convicted felon under federal law has not been able to restore their gun rights as the law says they should be able to, and that now includes President Trump. What President Trump can do now, and what I would highly recommend that President Trump do, is in this reconciliation bill all about funding different things and having monies allocated that he gets the appropriation made in the reconciliation bill to finally fund the program so that qualified individuals, who are not a danger, who are not a threat, can have their rights restored. Evan Nappen 21:18 This now includes President Trump, who currently has the U.S. military and all its weapons at his disposal but cannot possess a .22 rifle. This is the height of absurdity and illustrates the absolute evil of this program not being funded. Now is the opportunity to get it funded so that good people can get their Second Amendment rights back. It would be a wonderful statement in terms of Second Amendment freedom and liberty and to stop the disenfranchisement of individuals who would otherwise be qualified to have their rights back. It’s something that needs to be done, and it should be done now. I hope that Page – 7 – of 13 whoever listens to this show makes that clear and that President Trump gets the message that this needs to be addressed and that he can do it. He can take the necessary action. What do you think about that, Teddy? Teddy Nappen 22:50 Well, first of all, if the Government’s willing to fund a shrimp on a treadmill study, and wanting to actually see if the Thanos gauntlet could actually snap, and other millions of dollars spent on more stupidity, including, is there such thing as body mass and other forms of insanity, they could fund this relief from disability. It’s quite insane. Evan Nappen 23:24 It’s not for a shortage of money, though. It’s about Second Amendment oppression, and it needs to end. Now is the time to do it. And President Trump has not only committed himself to the Second Amendment, but it could even personally address his own situation here and help so many others with a restoration of liberty. Evan Nappen 23:54 Hey, let me tell you about our friends at WeShoot. WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey. That’s where I shoot. That’s where Teddy shoots and that’s where you should shoot. That’s where you and I both got our certifications so we can get our carry licenses out of New Jersey. It’s also where my brother, Lou, who’s also an attorney with the firm, it’s where he shoots and got his certification. Our family shoots there. We love it there, and I know that you’ll love it, too. WeShoot is a fantastic range, state of the art setup, but they also have great training. They’re offering right now the carry conceal course at WeShoot, and they will get you your New Jersey permit to carry and other CCW certifications. And they have requalification as well. They are tops when it comes to this. They have limited spaces available. Evan Nappen 25:00 As you are listening to the show, I suggest that if you want to get your carry or get a renewal of your CCARE certificate that you need to get your carry, go to WeShoot. Book a class, and they’ll help you out. You’ll be able to no longer be a victim, but a defender when it comes to guns. WeShoot is also offering an NRA pistol blended course where they’re teaching basic pistol. It’ll have hands-on experience with their NRA certified instructor, Joe Hayes. They’ll be able to boost your confidence, and you’ll be able to get that course under your belt. They’re also offering Utah carry, Florida carry, Virginia carry and Arizona carry as add ons. So, you can get non-resident licenses, and you can expand your reciprocity throughout the land. This is another great thing that you can take advantage of. They’re even offering a New York City non-resident carry course. So, you can jump start your journey with their expert, and you can apply to get your New York non-resident carry. They’re offering great classes. They have weekend classes with Grant Gallagher and Tony Zollo and Lance Hubeny. You can also go to WeShoot and take advantage of the great two-hour private sessions and really hone your skills. Learn to shoot and learn to do it right. They’re offering USCCA advanced carry courses. They’re also offering USCCA & Sig Sauer Academy, close quarter defense fundamentals so you can get your CQ fighting skills honed up. They also have a USCCA instructor development course, and you can become a certified instructor yourself. Check out WeShoot at weshootusa.com. Great range, great courses, and Page – 8 – of 13 a great pro shop. You’ll love it. Tell them that Evan and Teddy Nappen sent you from the Gun Lawyer podcast. You’ll be glad you did. Evan Nappen 27:45 Let me also mention our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, ANJRPC.org. They are the premier gun rights organization of New Jersey. I have a big ad that I put for free on the back of my New Jersey Gun Law book that you can purchase, by the way, at EvanNappen.com. Everybody listening to the show needs a copy of that book. The Association is currently fighting in the courts, and any time now, we should be getting results from those federal cases. We’re waiting for the appeals court’s decisions on sensitive places, on assault firearms, on large capacity magazine challenges to finally take those laws out in Jersey and put them in the trash bin of history where they belong. Be part of the solution. Make sure you belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. Go to anjrpc.org. They have a great newsletter, the best in the state. You’ll get email alerts for the shenanigans taking place in Trenton. There are threats percolating as we speak that we’ll be talking about more on the show. It’s critical that you’re a member of your state Association, and that is the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. anjrpc.org. Evan Nappen 28:02 By the way, when you get my book at EvanNappen.com, you’ll find out that it’s over 500 pages. It’s the Bible of New Jersey gun law. It’s 120 topics in a question and answer format. It’s the book used by, well, everybody that wants to know about gun laws in New Jersey. When you get the book by going to EvanNappen.com, make sure you scan the QR code on the front cover. Then you will become part of my private subscriber database in which you will get news alerts of any changes in the law and immediate access to the archive of the updates. Right now, I have a comprehensive 2025 update. The one update you need that completely updates the book to be current. And in that update is a breakout chapter, a new chapter, breaking out sensitive places — where you can carry and where you can’t carry. Things you need to know. And as these cases come down and changes happen, you’ll be immediately notified of these changes as I put these updates out there and let you know. So, get your book today. Evan Nappen 30:43 So, let me tell you, there’s a lot of interesting things going on, and one of which was brought up by way of an Ask Evan letter. I love getting these letters, and this letter deals with something near and dear to my heart, and I’m sure yours as well, and that is concealed carry reciprocity. That’s right, my friends. This letter is from Rich who says, Hello Mr. Nappen. There is a national reciprocity bill up for a vote right now. HR38. Please tell your listeners to call or write your state representatives and urge them to vote yes on the bill. Trump said he will sign it into law. We have a new Congress, and we have a new Senate. We’re finally winning the fight a little at a time. The Second Amendment isn’t a second class right. Thanks, Rich. Evan Nappen 31:45 Rich is right. HR38 has been refiled by Representative (Richard) Hudson, who has been a strong advocate for national reciprocity. Hudson actually joined with Shaneen Allen, a prior client of mine. You may recall the Shaneen Allen story about what she went through being licensed out of Pennsylvania. They tried to turn her into a felon and put her in prison for seven years with a minimum mandatory three Page – 9 – of 13 and a half years for doing nothing except not having New Jersey’s piece of paper. That’s right. This bill will end the patchwork quilt of idiotic states that don’t recognize our license. You know, we recognize everybody’s driver’s license, and last I heard, you don’t have a police background check done before you get your background check. Okay? The requirements to get a gun license, a carry license, far exceeds that of a driver’s license. And what’s more, it’s a Constitutional right to have a firearm, particularly after the Bruen decision. It’s not a Constitutional right to drive, but having a gun is. We need national reciprocity. President Trump has promised to sign it. He even made a detailed statement of his support for it after winning the election. It wasn’t just something to get votes. He wants to do it. It’s pre- filed. We need it. I think you can remember that bill’s number, folks – HR38 for concealed carry reciprocity. Evan Nappen 33:48 Once we get reciprocity, where every state is mandated to respect every other state’s permit, we can then go the next step. The next step will be national Constitutional carry. And that, my friends, is the evolution of freedom. It is the evolution of our Second Amendment rights to where we eventually can carry anywhere in America without a permission slip. But the interim step will make all the difference. HR38 or some other similar bill that gets national reciprocity, recognition of our ability to carry from state to state, will be a major landmark day, and our opportunity to get that has never been greater. This is the time. Evan Nappen 34:45 So, please take the steps to notify your reps and your senators that you support it. The various gun organizations all have links already set. You can go there, and you can let your representatives know by email about it. Alerts will be coming out as it progresses. Stay on this issue. Make your voice heard. Let’s push and get it done. It will change the world. It will be a new day for firearm freedom and the obnoxious states that deny individual rights, that stop carry permit recognition, will no longer rule the day. Teddy, what’s your view on national reciprocity? Would you be into that by any chance? What do you think? Teddy Nappen 35:43 Well, it’d be nice, because all those places that we usually travel through are kind of scary. So, that’s places where I’d want to carry. In terms of politically speaking, the House and Senate have very slim majorities, but we do have them. Like you said, that is very important, because we actually have the power of negotiation. Now, the house is extremely slim with Johnson being there, and it’s one of those where there will definitely be negotiations. I’m also looking at all the blue states that flipped over to Trump, and you’re already seeing many of the Democrats over there being like, oh, okay, we better just say yes. We don’t want to piss off the vote. Evan Nappen 36:26 And you’re right. There are even Democrats that have already spoken up saying they’ll support national reciprocity. The tide is definitely churning. Teddy Nappen 36:34 I believe one of them was (Senator John) Fetterman. He’s been leaning more. Page – 10 – of 13 Evan Nappen 36:37 I don’t know if he is or not, but maybe. I know the Rep. from Maine is. Yeah, yep, one of the reps from Maine, who’s a Democrat, said they support it. And look, the time has come. Especially with the increase in violent crime thanks to the senile sock puppet’s policies of both allowing criminal illegals into the country, murderers, rapists, mental cases, etc, and the policies of the Soros prosecutors, where violent criminals are in a revolving door, making these times even more dangerous when we need to protect ourselves. And as you point out, the places that are the worst are often the blue states with the worst gun control and most oppression of our Second Amendment rights. They are the places where we have to protect ourselves the most. Evan Nappen 37:35 And protection is for everyone. The Second Amendment is for everyone. It doesn’t matter your race. It doesn’t matter your sexual orientation. As a matter of fact, the individuals that need it most are often those that are persecuted. So, this is something that, if even a Democrat who wants to step up to protect the folks that they believe are their constituency, they should welcome with open arms the expansion of individuals to no longer be victims, but in fact, can be defenders. Yet we still see states that are taking anti-gun, what I prefer to call Second Amendment oppression, gun rights oppression, steps that are just shocking. Evan Nappen 38:34 I want to mention to you an interesting new twist that I want to bring to your attention. Unfortunately, the great western State of Colorado is really turning blue and is not as friendly in any way like it used to be to supporting the Constitution and Second Amendment rights. They’re more and more focused on gun rights oppression. A bill is being put forward in Colorado, Senate Bill 3, which actually has a pretty fair chance of passing. The hope is that the Governor may veto it, but it looks like it can make it through the houses. This bill is a ban on semi-automatic firearms. But it’s not your typical assault weapon ban where guns get named and features that the gun rights oppressors don’t even understand, right? Like, you know, that shoulder thing that goes up with a barrel shroud. You know. Evan Nappen 39:43 It doesn’t take that approach. It takes a little bit of a different approach that’s even more amazing. The approach of Colorado is to ban any semi-automatic firearm that accepts a detachable magazine. That’s right. So, in Colorado, they want to ban, under this bill, any semi-automatic firearm, any one that uses a detachable magazine. That includes handguns as well as long arms, folks. So, that every firearm you have will have to have a fixed magazine or a cylinder and not be able to have a detachable magazine. Imagine that. Imagine how far reaching. How many millions of guns will that cover? It’s insanity, and it’s oppression. Go ahead, Teddy. What? Teddy Nappen 40:46 It would be interesting to see, though, that this may bring back the Pederson device. Page – 11 – of 13 Evan Nappen 40:53 Yeah, so the Pederson device was developed in World War I. It would turn a 1903 bolt action rifle, the 03into a semi-automatic, magazine-fed firearm, and the device worked. We had it, but the war ended before we were using them in the trenches. But you can convert bolt actions into semi-automatic firearms, and probably today, do it with a 3D printer. Wouldn’t be surprised at that. You know, we’re talking about technology that’s over, well over, 100 years old from World War 1 with the Pederson device. That’s a good point, Teddy. So, I hope the Coloradans that treasure and love their Second Amendment rights, will be able to defeat this oppression that they’re facing. I hope so, but I’m afraid that we may see this approach spread. Evan Nappen 41:54 And while we’re talking now, the U.S. Supreme Court has distributed for conference a number of cases, including the Maryland case on assault firearms and the Delaware case, etc, that are going to greatly impact, potentially, the Second Amendment and its enforcement, and go to magazine bans and assault firearm bans. So, we’re waiting to see if the Supreme Court grants certiorari on these cases. If they do, then the U.S. Supreme Court will finally opine, will finally make a decision, that hopefully will kill the assault firearm bans and magazine bans that the gun rights oppressors have placed upon us in these various jurisdictions. It needs to go. It is another in their salami tactics of taking right after right, gun after gun and making all types of false distinctions and creating scary monsters out of various guns when they themselves do not understand this technology and instead have turned it into the boogeyman that has to be banned. I hope the Supreme Court takes the cases, and if they do, of course, we’ll be covering them very thoroughly on Gun Lawyer. Evan Nappen 43:28 Hey, I have a letter here from Shawn. Shawn wants to know about real estate open houses. Shawn says, Hi Evan. Thanks for reading my question last week about eyewear stores. I think I have one more good question that could give people pause if trying to stay firmly within the bounds of the law. My wife wanted me to come to a real estate open house today. Normally, someone’s home is not open to the public, and thus a sensitive place, unless they’ve posted something saying that it’s okay and that you’ve got permission from them in some way. However, during an open house, it’s open to the public from, say, one to four on Sundays typically. Would I be correct in my assumption that a small sliver of time is an exception to what is otherwise a sensitive place? Evan Nappen 44:20 And I would say, yeah. Because the key is, if it’s open to the public or not, and an open house, even has the word open in it, it’s open. It’s open to the public. It is an open house. It is not private. At that point, it’s open. So, as long as it is not private and that gets defined as the case law has progressed in our understanding, as the injunction stands on that provision, if it’s open to the public, then it’s open to the public. So, I think you’re good to go there. Evan Nappen 44:53 I have another question here, and this is from Ron. Ron wants to know regarding brandishing at home. How’s that? Brandishing at home sounds like a nice pastime, but anyway. Evan, long time fan with another question for the expert. We know that one of your clients is being unfairly prosecuted for Page – 12 – of 13 flashing a handgun during a road rage incident. How does the law stand if you’re on your own property at home and you’re threatened. Is showing your firearms still considered brandishing? Evan Nappen 45:26 Well, let me explain that. You know, brandishing can simply be the display of a weapon. We actually don’t have a criminal offense that’s called brandishing, but we do have criminal threatening. That can be what you’re actually charged with – criminal threatening with a firearm. It comes down to the use of a firearm, if you’re displaying it, versus using it. And so, display can still be considered a use of force, but not necessarily deadly force. So, you need to be within the parameters of justification for use of force and that’s going to flow to what you’re facing, right? It’s going to flow to that. Now my general advice is not to produce your gun. It’s not a magic wand. Don’t use it as such. Keep it concealed. You only draw it in the case of which you’re justified in using deadly force. If you only produce your firearm when you are justified in using deadly force, then you will have met the elements for your display of the firearm, even if it’s not used. Because it’s falling under what we commonly call self-defense but what the law refers to as justification for Use of Force. I discuss this in more detail in my book. Evan Nappen 47:05 Let me just say the most popular segment of the show is the GOFU. What’s a GOFU? A GOFU is a Gun Owner Fuck Up. And why do we talk about GOFUs? Because a GOFU is normally an expensive lesson that somebody else has learned, that you get to learn for free. And these are real life lessons. These are things that actual clients have made mistakes about. And today’s GOFU is a basic GOFU. It’s a GOFU that none of you should ever, ever commit. You shouldn’t commit any GOFUs, but this one is often mind boggling to me. Why it happens! This GOFU is really simple, not keeping your mouth shut. It’s that simple, folks. You have a Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. You have a Sixth Amendment right to have an attorney. Don’t make any statements to the police. You say, I’ll have my lawyer talk to you. Do not talk to the police. Evan Nappen 48:16 When you talk, when you wave your Fifth Amendment rights, when you waive your Sixth Amendment right to counsel, anything you say, not only can and will be used against you, it will be twisted against you. And often the most innocent thing, where you think you’re righteous and justified, they could try to twist. They being the Government against you. The strongest, smartest thing to do is stand on your rights. The GOFU is when you waive your rights. Do not waive your rights unless your attorney advises you to do so. Short of that, don’t do it. Don’t do it. Make sure you have counsel, and until you’re advised to do anything else differently, don’t waive your rights. The only thing you should tell law enforcement is your pedigree information, if you’re asked. Meaning your name, your date of birth, your address, etc., your pedigree information. Short of that, there’s nothing else to discuss. There’s nothing else to talk about. Police want to talk to you, especially if you’re a target of any type of investigation. I don’t care what they want to talk to you about. I don’t care if they want to give you the winning Mega Millions numbers. You say, talk to my attorney, and you let me, or your counsel stand between you and the Government as your shield. That’s what we’re there for. That’s why our Founding Fathers gave us a Sixth Amendment right to counsel. They knew the importance of it. They knew the importance of remaining silent. They saw the abuses and didn’t want those abuses to occur here. Yet, waiving your rights is probably the number one GOFU on the books. Page – 13 – of 13 Evan Nappen 50:18 Teddy, I want to thank you for joining me on the show, and we will have you again because your participation is really great. This is Evan and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. 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Episode 219-The Worst NJ Towns Delaying Carry Permits Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer– Episode 219 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS New Jersey gun permits, permit delays, Bruin decision, worst towns, gun rights, Attorney General data, carry permit, firearms ID card, pistol purchase permit, gun lawyer, John Petrino, Second Amendment, NRA certification, C care course, gun permit renewal. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen Evan Nappen 00:16 I’m Evan Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. I want to talk to you about the worst towns in New Jersey. The worst towns when it comes to exorbitant delays in the issuance of Permits to Carry. You may know the old saying that “a right delayed, is a right denied”. That, of course, puts these towns into the gun rights oppression category, because that’s what they’re doing. I want to mention that my source for our discussion today is an article written by the great John Petrolino, good friend of the show, and a great guy. John just does outstanding, outstanding, gun writing, and he has this article on BearingArms, a great gun rights news site, and very informative. I love BearingArms. His article is called “Top 10 Worst Towns in N.J. on Permit to Carry Issuance Delays”. (https://bearingarms.com/john- petrolino/2024/12/29/top-10-worst-towns-in-nj-on-permit-to-carry-issuance-delays-n1227241) By the way, his article is based on actual data released by the Attorney General of New Jersey. Evan Nappen 01:38 Now, before I get into the article, I want to tell you what the time frames are for the issuance of permits. As a Gun Lawyer, I get calls all the time from folks that are just pissed off that their gun permits are being delayed. Not just Carry Permits, by the way, Firearm ID Cards, Pistol Purchase Permit, etc. So, before we get into the worst towns and some of these unbelievable delays that these towns engage in, I want to read to you what the law says the time requirement is now. When the Bruen decision passed, making “shall issue” the rule of law, New Jersey’s old system of just basically denying everybody for “justifiable need”, where only approximately 600 civilians even had carry permits, it was the state’s way of stopping individuals from being able to be defenders and basically making everyone a victim of crime. In those days, there was little chance you could get a carry permit, and they just very quickly denied you. Evan Nappen 02:59 However, when the Bruen decision came down and New Jersey passed the Carry Killer bill, they made the time frame 90 days. It says, under N.J.S. 2C:58-4.c, “. . . Once the application is deemed complete by the chief police officer or the superintendent, . . .” Don’t you like that – when they deem it complete? Isn’t that cute? When they deem it complete . . . You know, what the hell is that? How about, when it’s complete because it was all filled out? No, no. When they deem it complete. “. . . if it is not approved or denied by the chief police officer or the superintendent within 90 days of filing, it shall be deemed to Page – 2 – of 9 have been approved; provided, however, the chief police officer or the superintendent may, for good cause shown and upon written notification to the applicant, extend by up to an additional 30 days the time period for which the application may be approved or denied. The written notification sent to the applicant shall provide a detailed explanation . . .” Yeah, I have yet to see the detailed explanation given by any of them, by the way, and that’s just for an extra 30 days. “An applicant also may agree in writing to an additional extension of time past the 120 day statutory time frame.” Isn’t that nice? Evan Nappen 04:23 So, they have tremendous authority to decide when it’s approved, when they’ve done a complete application, whatever that means. Then they get 90 days. Then they tell you they want an extra 30 days. And then they can ask you for more time, if they even give you the courtesy to ask for that. Then when they do that, of course, you’re going to say, well, I don’t want to piss them off, so they deny my permit. But I don’t want to give more time. Look at my day delay now. So, they put you in that spot, which is cute. I mean, this law was just written to “F” with gun owners. Let’s just be honest. Okay? But there it is. Those are the deadlines that are there for carry permits. Evan Nappen 05:09 Now, the deadline for Firearms Purchaser ID cards, which is not something we’re going to get into on those delays, that’s 30 days. Thirty days for a resident, and 45 days for a non-resident. It doesn’t have any proviso for extensions. However, it doesn’t have any language that if they don’t do it in time, it’s deemed approved. So, we see exorbitant delays on Firearms Purchaser ID Card and Pistol Purchase Permits, because there is no consequence whatsoever. At least arguably, with a Permit to Carry, we could say, hey, you’ve taken this long, it’s deemed approved. That doesn’t exist for Firearms ID Card or Pistol Purchase Permit applications. Evan Nappen 05:53 But let’s take a look at the worst towns and what the numbers are for the excessive delays that are experienced by New Jersey citizens trying to exercise their Second Amendment rights, as made crystal clear by the U.S. Supreme Court and St. Thomas in the Bruen decision. Let’s start here with the 10 worst towns, which have the worst average wait. Now the average wait. This isn’t the worst ones you know on record ever. These are the worst average wait times from February 2019 to March 2024. So, this is all the data from February 2019 to March 2024, and this is data provided by the Attorney General’s Office on the so-called dashboard. Okay, let’s take a look at the average wait times of the top 10 gun rights oppressive towns. Number 10, we’ll start at the bottom with Number 10, Ogdensburg, New Jersey – 124 days as the average wait time for Ogdensburg. Ho-Ho-Kus, New Jersey, is that like Hocus Pocus, Ho-Ho-Kus is 129 days. Ringwood Boro is 135 days. Englishtown, home of Englishtown Raceway and the Englishtown Flea Market is 153 days. Average wait time. Allenhurst is 165 days. Westville, New Jersey, is 170 days. Bayhead Boro, 191 days. And now for the final three. Taking third place for the worst average wait time for a Constitutional right is Palmyra Boro with 196 days. They get the bronze, and the silver goes to Hi-Nella, New Jersey, scoring 200 days average wait time. But the all-time champion, gold medal winner is Seaside Park with 253 days, average wait time out of that four year period. Keep in mind that’s the average, and to make that the average, think how many of the permits were delayed beyond the average, no less. That’s right. This is how the towns are oppressing our gun rights, and those are the top 10 for average wait times. Page – 3 – of 9 Evan Nappen 09:16 But what’s the record wait time? The highest number of days for an individual application for a New Jersey Permit to Carry? Who wins for that? Well, the Bronze for the highest number of days for an individual application goes to the New Jersey State Police at 1,002 days (33 months, 1 week and 5 days). The Silver goes to Jackson Township at 1096 days (36 months, 2 weeks, and 2 days). But the Gold medal winner, number one for the highest number of days on an individual application, is Orange, New Jersey, at 1,178 days (3 years, 2 months, 3 weeks, and 2 days) to process a carry permit application. That is astounding! Evan Nappen 10:28 The jurisdictions with the worst average wait times for the first quarter of 2024, now we’re just looking at the first quarter, remember, the other data was four years, but now looking at the first quarter of 2024, the number one was Ho-HoKus with 151 days. They get the Gold on that one. We’ve just talked about the bad and the ugly, but what about the good? Well, even though there are these horrible towns that are gun rights oppressive, to balance it out, let’s look at the towns, the jurisdictions, with the lowest average wait times since 2019. Who are the top 10 best towns, the top 10 towns that can be proud of their record in respecting and honoring our Second Amendment rights? Number 10 is Wyckoff Township, and their average wait time through that entire four year period is only 17 days. Number nine is Hardyston Township, 16 days. Middle Township is 16 days. Eastampton is 15 days. Howell Township is also 15 days. Robbinsville is 12 days. Flemington is 12 days. Evan Nappen 12:18 Now we’ll talk about the bronze, the silver and the gold, and those are deserved medals for these towns. The Bronze goes to Toms River at 11 days. Congratulations to Tom River! That’s a pretty big town in 11 days. Very well done, Toms River. The Silver goes to Marlboro Township with a mere eight days. Congratulations to Marlboro for respecting the Second Amendment. And the Gold medal winner, the one that is actually astounding, and not because of the town, I give them tremendous credit, but the number one winner is Pine Beach Boro which had an average wait time for over four years now, of drum roll, please, zero days. Zero. Now that’s respecting our Second Amendment rights. Evan Nappen 13:31 But this is a problem throughout New Jersey of permit delays. It’s one of the most common complaints that I get, and it is always disturbing to hear. Now, if you’ve been delayed, if you are having delay problems, one of the things you can do, and this is why I say you need to join the state Association, the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, there is the Operation Strike Force. (https://www.anjrpc.org/page/A_Strikeforce) There you have a strike force that’s part of ANJRPC. If you join as a member, they have an attorney, a good friend and colleague, Dan Schmutter, who will contact the town and make inquiries if they are delaying beyond the statute or making violations on the permit issuance. You really need to join the state Association. It’s ANJRPC.org. The Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. Page – 4 – of 9 Evan Nappen 14:43 One of the many things that the Association does is to address these things. They’re also fighting in the courts over the Carry Killer bill, assault firearm ban, which is, of course, the modern sporting rifle ban and the standard capacity magazine ban, amongst many other things. The Association is there, defending our rights, and you really need to be a part of that state Association. They’re the number one gun rights group in New Jersey, and they’re the NRA affiliate. It’s critical. If you believe in our rights, join ANJRPC. In unity, there is strength. Check out anjrpc.org. Evan Nappen 15:29 Let me also tell you. When talking about permit delays, it’s so common and such a problem that if you have my book, you may be aware that on Page 137 of my book, I have a chapter on gun permit applications being delayed. I decided that, since this is such a frequent occurrence, I wanted to save the town’s time from having to give lame ass excuses. So, what I created, and you can see right there is a handy chart of top 10 excuses for delaying your right to keep and bear arms. This way, all they have to do is give you the number instead of having to bullshit it right to your face. It’s a lot easier that way. Evan Nappen 16:22 So, reason number 10 of the top 10 reasons for delaying your right to keep and bear arms is: “We just don’t give anybody gun permits.” Yes, I’ve actually heard these claims in my practice in New Jersey. Number nine. “Why does a (woman, African American, Hispanic, gay person, senior citizen, transgender, handicapped person, MAGA supporter, Jewish, Muslim, or nice person like you, etc.) need a gun?” Need ain’t got nothing to do with it, but that doesn’t matter. That’s a nice excuse. Or number eight, “We just switched persons (departments, offices, record keeping personnel, etc.) who handle these. Number seven, “We are working on a new form of questions.” Which, by the way, is illegal, because nothing should be added to the form or content of the application. But they’re working on those things. Number six, “We have other priorities that take precedence over gun permits.” That’s nice, but it’s a priority for the applicant, so maybe you should rethink that. Evan Nappen 17:30 Number five, “We just don’t have the manpower to devote to these things.” Not my problem. It’s my right. Make sure you devote the manpower to it. Number four, “The Chief’s been out.” You know, he’s busy, sick, retired, etc. Oh, great, great. Number three, “The investigation is still in progress.” Oh, that one’s a classic. And that excuse, right there, is incorporated into the statutory language that I read you from the Carry Killer law, so they can make sure they use that excuse for these exorbitant delays because the investigation is still in progress or not complete. Remember, they have to deem it complete. Isn’t that cute? Number two, “Your references haven’t replied yet.” Now, let me say that sometimes this can actually be a problem. So, I always advise you to make sure you clear your references in advance. Make sure they send it back right away, and they let you know that they sent it back. Make sure your references are on alert so they can reply and respond without delay, because that will cause delay. And the number one reason is, and we always love to hear, oh, “Your prints haven’t come back yet from the FBI.” Yeah. Oh yeah, right. That’s a cute one. And, of course, it’s not true. So, keep that in mind. And if you ever get hit with the handy number, you’ll know where to find it. Page – 5 – of 9 It’s where they’re getting it from for their gun rights oppression and delay of a right that should never be delayed. Evan Nappen 19:10 Speaking of which, if you want to get a copy of my book, you can go to EvanNappen.com, and you can buy the book right there. You’ll have it in a matter of days, and I think you’ll get a lot out of it. Not just a wonderful excuse chart, but you will also find just a ton of valuable information. It’s over 500 pages in a question and answer format. I tried to make it as easy to understand as possible. It’s the book used by everybody. It’s the Bible of New Jersey gun law. Go to EvanNappen.com and get your copy today. When you do get the book, scan the QR code on the front, and subscribe to my free subscriber base. It’s private, and when you subscribe, you get access right away to the free 2025 Comprehensive Update of the book. So, your book will be completely current, and that update is free. You will also get notice of any other updates. And I’m expecting some things to come down soon, and you’ll be the first to know, because you’ll get that update. That way, your book stays current, and you can stay good and legal. Evan Nappen 20:19 I also want to mention our good friends at WeShoot. WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey. It’s a range where I shoot and my family shoots. It’s super convenient right there, off the Parkway. WeShoot is great. If you go there, I guarantee you’ll love it. Everybody loves it. WeShoot is special, and they treat you like family. Now, WeShoot happens to be offering an NRA NJ PTC Certification course, and with the NRA course, they’re also doing the CCARE course. So, you can get NRA carry certification, your CCARE certification, and your SB182 certificate. You’ll get all that. And by taking it at WeShoot, you’ll receive a serial numbered certificate directly from the NRA, which training is accepted in all 50 states, although some states might not accept it for their CCW program. But you’ll also get to the CCARE. WeShoot is offering you this double barreled course of the NRA certification and CCARE for only $299.99. That’s it, folks. $299.99. Sunday, January 19, at WeShoot. So, check out weshootusa.com. You can get that course and plenty of other courses there. WeShoot is a great, really fun place. You’ll be glad you went there, and you’re helping a great range that is dedicated, not just to you and to service and providing the best facility, but also in helping fight for our gun rights and helping make folks defenders instead of victims. Evan Nappen 22:26 Hey, let’s take a look at the Ask Evan questions. I love the questions, and I really appreciate when my beloved listeners send me these questions. This one is from Shawn, and some of the stuff you guys come up with is just amazing. But they’re good questions, and it comes out. These are real questions because of real situations. And what Shawn says is, regarding eyewear stores and eye doctor, mixed use property. Hi Evan. I have a question that, knowing what I know about New Jersey, I think I know the answer to, but I still thought it was worth asking. I’m in the market for some glasses. Most stores that sell eyewear have a store up front and an eye doctor office in the back. Does that make the entire establishment a sensitive place? Or might it be more like a CVS with a pharmacy, whereas you can shop in the store, but can’t go into the pharmacy section. Thanks. We love your show, and we listen every Sunday without fail for the past two years. Page – 6 – of 9 Evan Nappen 23:28 Well, thank you, Shawn. First of all, Shawn, thank you for your question about eyewear. I’m glad you decided to make a spectacle out of yourself. Alright, and here’s the deal. The same logic, the same reasoning applies, and this came out of the Association’s litigation in the Carry Killer challenge. It’s only the prohibited part of a sensitive place. It doesn’t taint the entire place, but you want to be careful. You want to make sure that the doctor’s office is strictly the office, and that the commercial eyewear selling shop is not the doctor’s office. Depending on the factual situation of your particular setup. If the store is just a store, the doctor’s office, the medical facility part is separate, then yes, that same type of CVS type analogy does apply. So, thanks Shawn for the great question. Evan Nappen 24:40 Now this one is from Candace. Candace says, Happy New Year. I have a permit that was issued in April 2023, and it expires April 2025. With the new CCARE protocols, do I need to renew before April 2025? If so, what is the process for renewing? I was certified at WeShoot. Also, my CCW lists only two pistols that I certified with, yet in your book, it states I can carry one of any of my legally owned handguns. My question is, I want to carry with a handgun that is not listed on my CCW permit. Do I have to qualify with that gun to be printed on my permit or can I just list it on my permit to carry description of additional handguns intended to carry? Who gets that form? New Jersey State Police or my local police? Evan Nappen 25:33 Okay, here’s the deal. As far as your CCARE certificate, it’s valid for two years. So, you want to renew your carry permit before the expiration of the two years. You’re allowed to renew as soon as four months before the expiration of your permit. If you renew prior to the expiration, which could be as soon as four months, and if your CCARE is not over two years old, then it will still be valid for that renewal. So, that’s number one. It’s important that you know that certificate date. Now, as far as the guns you carry, your PTC is good for all guns. However, the guns do need to be listed, and you can either list them when you do your carry permit application, or you can file the form right online at the State Police website. (https://www.anjrpc.org/page/A_Strikeforce) (SP-182a. – PTC Additional Handguns Intended to be carried) There’s a form right there (SP-182a.) that you can supply to your issuing authority that says, other guns you wish to carry. We’ve talked about this form, and I would highly suggest that the only guns you list on that form are guns that you have a New Jersey permit to purchase for. Why do a registration of guns you have that aren’t registered? You’re allowed to have unregistered guns in New Jersey. We’ve discussed that many times. So, why create a self-registration where you don’t need to? But you can put any handgun you want if you want to put one, even that’s unregistered, that you lawfully acquired and are lawfully possessing in New Jersey. You can still do that, but they do need to be on either that form or submitted with the carry permit application/renewal itself. But you do not need to qualify with each handgun because CCARE only tests core competency. You can take CCARE with an air pistol if you wish, and you can carry a Smith & Wesson 500 Magnum if you wish. Because CCARE is not testing you on the gun. It’s testing on your core competency to safely handle a firearm. Thanks, Candace, for the great question. Page – 7 – of 9 Evan Nappen 27:55 This is from Scott regarding a PTC situation. First, let me mention I’ve been listening to your great podcast for nine months now. Thank you, Scott. They’re very informative. I enjoy the information you provide about New Jersey gun laws well as insights into gun ownership. I’ve been working my way through your podcasts, and I have not ceased to find useful information in every one. Well, thanks, man. My question has to do with PTC. My wife is working her way toward a PTC. I have a handgun meant for home defense. I’m not planning at this time to get my PTC (maybe when you get the fee reduced down from $200). Thinking about the future when she has her PTC and we’re in a situation where use of a handgun is imperative. I can just imagine she will be too scared. Her hands will be shaking. She’ll hand the gun to me and say, you do it. Wow. I’m dumb enough that I might be tempted. I would like to understand the risks of the three scenarios where, “I do it.” Number one, I take the offered gun from her hand and use it. Number two, I see she’s immobilized with fear, shaking, take the gun from her holster and use it. And three, she’s shaking so bad she drops the gun to the ground. I pick it up off the ground and use it. Evan Nappen 29:18 Okay, let me just say this. I believe everybody should be able to have a firearm if they want to have a firearm, and if they are capable of using that firearm. Now, if somebody is unable to use a gun to defend themselves, and I just don’t mean by training, I mean if your mind set is such that you cannot pull the trigger on another human being, that’s fine, if that is your moral code, if that is just how you are. Or you can’t potentially kill somebody to defend your own life or that of your loved ones. I don’t hold that against you. But I would say that you should not have a gun. You should not have a gun because if you are unable to effectively use it, your having a gun can actually become a disadvantage to you. That gun can be taken from you and used against you. A gun is not a magic wand. If you’re not capable, if you haven’t thought that scenario through so that you are able to pull that trigger if you need to, if you’re absolutely justified and you have no other choice and you have to do it and you’re not able to, then guns really aren’t for you. So, I think the premise of this question begins with something where my advice is for her not to have a PTC and not to have guns until she is confident in her own mind and her own ability to use that gun. And if you’re not, no problem, but don’t have or carry a gun. Evan Nappen 31:25 Now on the bigger issue here about can you use somebody else’s gun? Well, that would be an unlawful transfer in New Jersey. You should use your gun and only your gun that is your gun. No one should be accessing your gun, and you shouldn’t be accessing anybody else’s gun. Now, with that being said, if a situation occurred where there is a necessity to use somebody else’s gun, then there are defenses out there called necessity. It’s an affirmative defense that we might be able to assert, if the state is raising an issue of the unlawful transfer in that situation. There also might be called competing harms, and there are defenses. But I can’t recommend that you do that. You should have your own gun. Keep your own gun. Each person has their gun. You both should be competent and able to use it if you need to, and if you’re not competent or you’re not able to use it, then guns aren’t for you. They’re not for everybody. But it should be a choice that everybody has. All right. Scott, thanks for that question. Page – 8 – of 9 Evan Nappen 32:37 And now we have a question from Joe. Joe says, I’m an avid listener to your Gun Lawyer podcast, owner of your Big Orange New Jersey Gun Law book. Very good. Good job, Joe. Don’t lend it out because you’ll never get it back. I’m a member of NRA, ANJRPC, CNJFO, NJ2AS, FPC, and I’ve donated to NJFOS. That is excellent, Joe, excellent. I’m glad you support every pro gun group like that. It is wonderful. And congratulations. Great job. I have a question regarding of Duty to Inform the police when in a motor vehicle. I know I have a right to inform if stopped for a traffic issue. Well, it’s not a right. It’s a requirement. You’re obligated to inform. It’s not exactly a right. You’re mandated to do so. Make sure you do if you’re stopped for a traffic issue while carrying or traveling with firearms in a truck going to the range. But what if I’m in a passenger in someone else’s car, and we’re stopped for potential traffic issue? Evan Nappen 34:00 Then, yes, even as a passenger, you have a Duty to Disclose, and not just a Duty to Disclose. Remember, you have to also be able to show your New Jersey Permit to Carry. And then Joe asks further, if your stopped while being a passenger at a traffic stop. Look, at any time if police have stopped you or you’re walking in the street, you have a Duty to Disclose. Now, this may or may not be Constitutional, but for now, if you don’t disclose, you can be charged with a felony level offense, a fourth degree, and face a year and a half in State Prison. If you fail to produce your carry permit, that’s six months in the county jail. So, make sure you do that, unless you want to be the test case, and I don’t suggest it. Evan Nappen 35:01 What about the moment you’ve all been waiting for? And that is the GOFU of the week. Now the GOFU is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. And why do we talk about GOFUs? GOFUs are expensive lessons that real people in real cases have experienced and that I get to tell you so that you learn for free. So, you don’t become a GOFU yourself. And this week’s GOFU is something I’ve seen happen, and it’s extremely frustrating to me. This week’s GOFU is not listening to your lawyer. Look, man, you’re calling me up for advice. You’re asking me what to do and how to do it. I’ve been practicing for over 35 years, wrote the book on it, and I give you the information and tell you exactly what to do. And then you don’t listen! Unbelievable. And then you get in trouble, and you’re a GOFU. It could have been avoided. Frankly it’s stupid. If that’s what you want to do, why did you ask me in the first place? Evan Nappen 36:36 You know, sometimes people call me and what they want is confirmation of something of a GOFU they want to commit. Well, that isn’t going to happen. And when I tell you the consequences and exposure and risk and problem, and then you don’t listen, like I know many of you listening would say, why would somebody not listen? And you know what? I say the same thing. Why did you even ask? The fact that you’re listening to this show tells me you’re a listener and that you’re going to follow your lawyer’s advice. But if, for some reason, that thought ever occurs to you not to, don’t be a GOFU. Listen to the professional as long as your lawyer knows his stuff. You know, as long as your lawyer maybe has written the book on this stuff and has practiced for over 35 years doing this stuff and has told you what you should do. Make sure you listen. Page – 9 – of 9 Evan Nappen 37:37 This is Evan Nappen, reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. 37:47 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. 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Episode 218- Gun Shows Save Lives Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer– Episode 218 Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 218 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Gun shows, unregulated gun shows, homicide rate, suicide rate, gun rights, California gun shows, Texas gun shows, mental health, law enforcement, New Jersey gun laws, gun rights oppression, gun ownership, firearm acquisition, dual residency, gun lawyer. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen Evan Nappen 00:15 Hello, I’m Evan Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Did you know that unregulated gun shows actually save lives? Yeah, and it’s not just me saying that. It’s actually been demonstrated by quite a detailed study. I’m looking at a great article written by one of my favorite gun writers, Dean Weingarten. This is from AmmoLand, and the title is “Unregulated Gun Shows Save Lives” (Peer Reviewed Study). (https://www.ammoland.com/2024/12/unregulated-gun-shows-save-lives-peer-reviewed-study/) Evan Nappen 00:44 The reason for that, which is really fascinating, is that there was a paper published in 2008, and what the paper compared was the highly regulated California gun shows, with the relatively unregulated Texas gun shows. I think we all know there’s a huge difference when it comes to gun rights between the gun rights oppression state of California and the gun rights liberty state of Texas. What they found in their study was pretty fascinating, and, of course, you’ve heard nothing about this on the lame stream media. But they found that there was no statistical difference in suicide rates or in homicide rates in California. And the Texas gun shows, with far less regulation, actually showed a statistically significant drop in the homicide rate. Evan Nappen 01:59 So, think about that, folks. The unregulated gun shows created a drop in the homicide rate as compared to the regulated shows. Dean quotes from the study, and it’s really interesting. “But our results provide little evidence of a gun show-induced increase in mortality in Texas. In fact, we find that in the two weeks following a gun show, the average number of gun homicides declines in the area surrounding the gun show. Aggregating across all gun shows in the state, we find that there are approximately 16 fewer gun homicides resulting from the 200 gun shows in the average year. In the sections below, we discuss several possible explanations for this counter intuitive finding. However, it is important to keep in mind that while these results are statistically significant, they are quite small — representing just one percent of all homicides in Texas in the average year.” Evan Nappen 03:16 But still, it is a reduction, folks. Less. As Dean points out, the authors downplay the result, but it is fascinating. They go on further in the abstract to say, “Thousands of gun shows take place in the U.S. Page – 2 – of 9 each year. Gun control advocates argue that because sales at gun shows are much less regulated than other sales, such shows make it easier for potential criminals to obtain a gun. Similarly, one might be concerned that gun shows would exacerbate suicide rates by providing individuals considering suicide with a more lethal means of ending their lives. On the other hand, proponents argue that gun shows are innocuous since potential criminals can acquire guns quite easily through other black market sales or theft. In this paper, we use data from Gun and Knife Show Calendar combined with vital statistics data to examine the effect of gun shows. We find no evidence that gun shows lead to substantial increases in either gun homicides or suicides. In addition, tighter regulation of gun shows does not appear to reduce the number of firearms-related deaths.” Evan Nappen 04:36 So, there you go. And guess what? This was no small study. It was a 10 year study of 3,300 gun shows, and it was not a study conducted by gun rights advocates, pro-gun forces. So, this is pretty fascinating. And you know, when you look at New Jersey, New Jersey doesn’t even have gun shows at all. The law in New Jersey talks about having a display or exposition of guns but not a gun show. You know, where dealers could actually sell guns at a show? They’re not allowed. They don’t have that. They created a provision of “allowing a gun show”, but that’s only a place where you can show a gun. It’s not a marketplace that is permitted as it is in many of the other states, such as Texas and Pennsylvania, of course. Evan Nappen 05:36 Of course, New Jerseyans, for years and years, if they wanted to go to a real gun show, they go to the closest ones, which are in Pennsylvania. They’re pretty good shows that they hold there. But it’s really a shame that New Jersey can’t lower its suicide rates and its homicide rates by having gun shows. Imagine that. But that would just be too much for the gun rights oppressionists in Trenton to wrap their heads around. And, of course, gun shows become something more than a place where guns are sold. It’s a place of political organization. It’s a place where gun rights and gun laws and the shenanigans of the gun rights oppressors can be discussed, and folks can organize and become part of the movement and learn about these things. It’s a part of the social interaction, the association, person to person. And that’s very important as well, because those are spots of organization where individuals can get together to make a difference politically. Evan Nappen 06:49 Yet, that’s another reason they don’t want to have these shows, because those same shows. Look, I’ll tell you. Have you ever been to a gun show during election season? You know who the pro-gun candidates are and who they’re not. Many of the pro-gun rights candidates physically go to the gun shows because they meet their constituents. But in New Jersey, we don’t see that happening because we don’t have the gun shows. One day, hopefully, we’ll be able to get gun shows back in New Jersey. We may, in fact, see cases that are already in the process of challenging restrictions placed in other states on gun shows. And if those cases can make Constitutional law in the Supreme Court, they may be able to break New Jersey free from its stranglehold on stopping gun shows and thereby causing more homicides and more suicides because they don’t allow gun shows. Page – 3 – of 9 Evan Nappen 07:58 The counter intuitive effect is very interesting, and the bottom line is that gun shows are an expression of our rights, our ability to engage in the right to keep and bear arms and to have an organizational marketplace of not just guns and ammo, but ideas and politics that constantly threaten us. But for now, if you live in New Jersey, go to the free states around that have gun shows. Pennsylvania has some great ones. There are others in other states, and it’s always a good time. And as you visit those states, of course, you’ll long to not go back to the gun rights oppression of New Jersey, but at least you can experience freedom for the time that you’re visiting those shows. So, interesting stuff, for sure. Evan Nappen 08:57 I want to mention that we have some great letters from my beloved listeners, and here’s one from Bill. Bill says, love your show and your book. Quick question on our law enforcement here in NJ. I read a headline in our local paper. “Grant Allows Bergen County to enhance mental health care for police officers”. (https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/bergen/2024/12/12/grant-bergen-county-nj-enhance- police-mental-health-care/76925886007/) Why is it we can be disqualified for life to own a firearm if we see a therapist; yet we’re paying to send our cops to the same? Is it a double standard? Do they lose their rights to own and carry a firearm? And, of course, all our law enforcement officers obey the strict letter of the law in all things. Evan Nappen 09:47 Well, let me tell you, Bill. There is no actual exemption in the gun laws for law enforcement who get either voluntary or involuntary mental health commitments. Involuntary mental health commitment, even if they are given monies to pay for such a thing, or even a voluntary commitment that gets funded, or however this grant works, I don’t know. The officer is not relieved of the disqualifier under N.J.S. 2C:58- 3. There is no law enforcement exemption to the mental health commitment, whether voluntary or involuntary, folks. So, if this program is expanding mental health care again, what does that mean? I’m not sure. But if they’re talking about either commitments, voluntary or involuntary, then the officer is still subject to the licensing disqualifications under 58-3. Evan Nappen 10:52 Now, there is other mental health care where they’re treated or observed. Well, again, that question is asked on any gun license, whether it’s for a Firearms ID Card or a Pistol Purchase Permit or a Permit to Carry in New Jersey. And if you fall under that treated or observed, you are going to have to answer truthfully that you were treated or observed even as a law enforcement officer. Then you are going to have to overcome that. If it wasn’t a commitment, either voluntary or involuntary, then you have to overcome it with Doctor’s proofs. You know, a letter from your doctor, a letter from your psychiatrist, a letter or report. And that, my friends, is a trap. Not just for law enforcement, but for anyone who gets mental health help in New Jersey. Because as soon as you get that treatment, even if it’s not a voluntary commitment or involuntary commitment, as soon as you get that treatment, now your answer to that question is yes on those forms. Evan Nappen 11:50 Now, you have to get a sign off from a doctor and that’s not easy because most doctors are chicken shits, my friends. They don’t want to say somebody is good for guns, even if they know they’re good for Page – 4 – of 9 guns, because it’s a liability. They’re all afraid of it. If they say you’re good for guns and then there’s a problem, guess who they’re afraid is going to get their ass sued? That’s right. There are some doctors that have trust in their professional judgment who are willing to say somebody who’s good for guns is good for guns, but that’s not the majority of doctors, my friends. It is not. New Jersey sets this trap out there that if you get help, you’re going to have a hell of a time getting your rights restored, whether it’s a doctor’s letter or a mental health expungement. Evan Nappen 12:44 And keep this in mind. If you need a mental health expungement, you have to get a doctor’s report. So, they have to do it again. Sign off that you’re good for guns and be willing to accept that liability. It’s not easy. This law sets out a trap to oppress your gun rights simply because you got mental health help. It is counter to the very purpose of the mental health help because it is a discouragement. If you want to keep your rights, you better not get mental health. That’s what people think. And they’re not wrong, because that’s what happens. Then they don’t get the help, and it gets worse. Then you have issues and problems. So, the law creates the opposite effect. Big shocker, right? We’re talking about the state that, you know, banned plastic bags so now 15 times more plastic gets used. Evan Nappen 13:43 You know, it’s that kind of brilliance that our legislators exhibit when it comes to gun laws and the other laws that they enact. They’re all so well intentioned, of course, and that’s what really matters, right? Not the actual effect or what happens, or people who suffer or lose their rights or the Constitution gets violated. No. As long as they had good intentions, then that’s fine. That’s fine. And that’s what happens here when we’re talking about mental health. Beware, it is a trap. If you treasure your Second Amendment rights, make sure that’s something you’re well aware of. And look, if you need help, you got to get help. Just remember what the consequences will be. And it’s there set forth by our brilliant legislators. Just incredible. Evan Nappen 14:38 Hey, let me tell you about our good friends at WeShoot. WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey. It’s the range that I shoot at and my family shoots at. I got my training there. It’s a great range. So convenient, right off the Parkway in Lakewood. They offer training courses. You can get your CCARE certificate to carry in New Jersey, and they also offer non-resident training for a multitude of states, including New York City, for example, and other states places that used to be off limits and impossible to be able to carry. Yet, now, if you take the courses and can survive the application process, you can be a defender and no longer a victim, as the gun rights oppressors try to keep us victims. Evan Nappen 15:37 But thanks to St. Thomas and the Supreme Court and the Bruen decision, it’s greatly expanded. As a matter of fact, New Jersey now I understand is over 50,000 Permits to Carry have been issued. Over 50,000. That’s a bit more than the less than 600 that existed prior to the Bruen decision, I’d say. (An increase of 8,233.3%.) And that means you have 50,000 people that can defend themselves, their families, their loved ones, and no longer be victims, but defenders. That’s the kind of thing that actually has a real effect on crime. Imagine that. Doing something about crime. That’s pretty funny, isn’t it? Well, Page – 5 – of 9 there you go. You can and WeShoot will help you do that. WeShoot will train you and teach you and get you the certificates that you need. They have a great range, great facility. They’ve firearm rentals, great instructors, great gear, great bargains, and they’re great folks. So, check out WeShoot at weshoot usa.com. weshootusa.com. Evan Nappen 16:52 Also, while you’re at it, make sure you belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are our state Association. They’re the folks defending our rights in the ever challenging gun rights oppressive state of New Jersey. They’re there in the federal courts, as we speak, challenging all the big issues that we’ve been fighting, the so-called assault firearm ban, the standard capacity magazine ban and, of course, the Carry Killer bill. Any day now, I just can’t wait to be doing the show, which should happen any day now, of the appeals court decision on sensitive places and these other issues. Our Association is fighting hard, and we are working our way through the courts. It’s slow but steady. But truth is on our side, and so is the law. We will kill these oppressive laws. We will make them end up in the dustbin of history. At some point in the future, people will look back at these gun rights oppressors and shake their heads and say, unbelievable. How did they ever put up with it? I know that’ll happen, but for now, you need to be part of the solution. The solution is to join the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. It’s anjrpc.org. Evan Nappen 18:29 Then, of course, I have to shamelessly plug my book, the Bible of New Jersey gun law. It is entitled, not surprisingly, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s over 500 pages, and it explains New Jersey gun law in a question and answer format. It is the book used by everybody, because it’s the only book that does this. It will help you stay safe, out of jail, protect your rights, protect your freedoms, by having that book. And when you get the book, scan the QR code on the front cover and join my free subscriber database. It’s private, and it’s free. As soon as you get the book, scan it, because right now, online, I have the Comprehensive 2025 Update. I updated every chapter that needed updating, and I put the full complete chapters in so that you have it update by full chapter. I even broke down the carry permit chapter into two sections. One chapter now is just on sensitive places, because that’s always such a big question. Where can I carry, and where can’t I carry? And it’s explained. As long as you’re signed up, you’re good, and as soon as the cases come down or any changes, you’re going to know right away. You’re going to be able to update your updates. This way your book always stays current. I want that book to stay current, so you stay current. So, you don’t get in trouble. Order your copy of New Jersey Gun Law at EvanNappen.com. That’s right. That’s my website. EvanNappen.com. I know that you will be glad you did, because I get so many people that write and tell me how much they appreciate it. Evan Nappen 20:30 As a matter of fact, here’s a question right here from Rob. Rob says, Hi Evan. I really enjoy the podcast. I have a question as to remaining silent post-arrest. As an attorney, he says, (civil) I appreciate the pitfalls of talking to the police without an attorney. I was wondering, however, if you thought the Penny trial and conviction changed this view any. Penny’s statement was not only admitted into evidence, but more importantly, served as a means of communicating to the jury without being subject to cross examination. Some believe it led to his acquittal. I would love to hear your thoughts on it. Thanks, Rob. Page – 6 – of 9 Evan Nappen 21:14 Well, I’m going to tell you right now. I believe that making any statement is extremely risky, no matter how righteous you believe or know that you are. The statement he made did not stop him from getting charged. It was utilized in getting him charged. The problem is that although it may have been helpful here, what really was helpful was the great job that his attorneys did in stopping the state from their proofs of being able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, to counter his claim of the justification of the use of force. You see, if you talk, and this is why I really would say not to, even though here you might say, well, I think what he said there was helpful, but there also were some things he said that were not helpful. But the problem is, the risk is so great, and it did not have the desired effect of stopping the charges. Evan Nappen 22:44 So, let’s assume he didn’t say anything here. Well, the state is going to have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and his assertion of self-defense on statements for the very first time would be when he would take the stand if he was going to argue this. By that time, he would have been able to review everything thoroughly with his attorney. He would know everything the state had. He would know what they’re going to be asserting as their defense. By having an excellent attorney, if he was going to take the stand to assert that claim at that time, which he could then make that decision up until the last moment, if he’s even going to do that, he would be thoroughly prepared and able to answer all the questions for the very first time. Because if he had to testify again and chose to take the stand, then the state would take his statement made without counsel and be able to use that for impeachment purposes, for any slight mistake or deviation that he might just make, even though it would be unintentional. They’d be able to abuse it. If you’ve ever seen a good cross examination, this is what’s done. So, by making that statement initially, it really created a disadvantage to taking the stand later, when you can be impeached over things you may have said earlier, even though you weren’t lying. Evan Nappen 24:38 There’s an effect that’s pretty well documented about individuals who give statements right away and their thought process as what they are saying. Then later, when things are calmed down in their mind, and they think about it, this is all part of that natural process. I mean, you want to look at a classic case of that. Look at what happened with Bernie (Bernhard) Goetz. You may think about Bernie Goetz, the famous subway shooter, right? The famous line you may have heard that he said, “You don’t look so bad. Have another, right? You probably heard that if you paid any attention to the Bernie Goetz case. Why did they say he said that? Because he made a statement to the police where he said that. He said that in his statement. He said it to them. Yeah, he said you don’t look so bad. Have another. But guess what, folks? He never said that! The jury learned and saw that he never said that. He embellished. Whether it was because of whatever reason, you know, pumped up, hyped up, adrenaline, talking to the police, saying whatever. He embellished in his statement. His defense attorneys had to really demonstrate and show the jury that it was an embellishment, and it really was. It is extremely risky making any statements. I can’t advise you to do it. I think it’s tactically unwise. You don’t want to talk to the police. You want your attorney. You have a Fifth Amendment right – use it. And if the time comes when you’re going to actually take the stand, then that should be the first time anybody’s hearing your story from your lips. And that’s after you’ve talked very thoroughly with your attorney and understand all Page – 7 – of 9 the evidence that’s against you and what evidence is there that is directly supporting what you have to say. Being very smart and tactical. Otherwise, you’re putting yourself at a big risk. But it’s a great question. And look, you know, there may be others with a different view, but that’s my view. Having practiced in this area, I’ve had too many times where individuals just needed to shut up. They didn’t, and it cost them. So, beware. Thanks for the great question. Evan Nappen 27:34 And now I have another question, and this is from Steven. Steven says, Episode 168 – the registration trap. It addresses firearm possession when illegally acquired. In Evan’s book, it describes dual residency, and that federal law dictates that if you are a resident of another state where your second home is located, while actually in residence in that state, this permits the legal acquisition of a firearm, including a handgun. So, what registration/possession rules apply if you return to New Jersey, your resident state, with such firearms? Evan Nappen 28:16 So, Steven, yes, the ability to acquire firearms under federal law is regulated when it comes particularly to handguns. You can only buy a handgun in the state in which you reside. You can buy long arms, of course, in the state where you reside, and you also can buy a long arm in a state where you do not reside, a long arm meaning a rifle or shotgun, as long as the dealer obeys the law of your state of residence and the dealer’s state of residence. He has to obey both sets of laws and that transfer can be made to you right then and there, following both states’ laws of a long arm. But a handgun cannot be done in that manner. A handgun has to be shipped to your state of residence, and the transfer takes place there. That’s the basics. Evan Nappen 29:24 However, federal law, as Steven mentions, allows you to acquire a handgun in a state of residence in which you can have for purposes of gun purchase under federal law, dual residency. This is acknowledged in the Code of Federal Regulations. It’s in my book. I show and talk about it. And so, if you reside, for example, in New Jersey and are residing in Florida. Let’s say during the winter months you reside in Florida, and during the summer months, you reside in New Jersey. During the time that you are actually residing in Florida, you can purchase handguns in Florida under Florida law. New Jersey law plays no role in it because you are a resident of Florida at that time. Federal law recognizes that you are residing in Florida during the winter. Or if you reside, let’s say, on the weekends in New Hampshire, then you’re a resident of New Hampshire during the weekends when you’re residing there. Evan Nappen 30:44 Now, if you’re just on vacation in Florida or on vacation in New Hampshire, that doesn’t count. You have to be residing there during that time. But if you are, then Federal law says you are a resident of that state for purposes of firearm acquisition, and you are only subjected to the laws of that state’s residency. So, what it means is you can buy a handgun under Florida law or New Hampshire law and federal law. You’re not buying it under New Jersey law. You’re lawfully acquiring it in another jurisdiction. Under federal law in another jurisdiction, but you’ve made a lawful acquisition. Now if you bring it back to New Jersey, well, you have a New Jersey residency. As a matter of fact, you may have a New Jersey driver’s license. It’s fine. You can still make that acquisition in Florida by showing other Page – 8 – of 9 proofs of residency and even using a New Jersey driver’s license to be a government form of ID. It still cuts the mustard under the federal reg, believe it or not. Evan Nappen 31:47 When you bring that gun back to New Jersey, cased, unloaded, it’s no problem, as long as it’s not an otherwise prohibited gun like a so-called dreaded assault firearm. But just a regular handgun, it’s legal. You don’t have a mag over 10 rounds, of course, because that’s separately prohibited at this time. But if it’s a handgun that you acquired there legally, you’re good. You’ve now transported it, cased, unloaded, legally under federal law. Going from one place you can lawfully possess and carry to another, because you can possess and carry in your home in New Jersey. Once you get it into your home in New Jersey, you don’t have to register it. You’re not a new resident. You were a resident. You just had dual residency. If you’re not a new resident, you don’t have to register it. You can keep it in New Jersey. You can bring it to the range under the exemptions. Hell, if you want to, you can list it on your carry permit as a carry gun. Just put the make, model, and number down. Now you’ve got a new carry. It’s legal. Your acquisition was lawful. It’s separate from your possession. Possession is regulated in that way. So, you do not have to register, okay? That’s Steve’s question. No registration is required of that handgun. Evan Nappen 32:59 Now, you can even be that temporary resident in another state and acquire a dreaded assault firearm. That’s right. A gun prohibited in New Jersey. Why? Because you’re not a New Jersey resident at that moment under federal law of the acquisition. If that gun’s legal in the state you’re residing in and legal under federal law, you can buy it there. However, you cannot bring it back into New Jersey. You would have to leave it properly, legally secured, in that other state that is not a gun rights oppression state where you were able to buy that. You still could buy it, and you could own it there. Yep, and you have it there. No problem. You can’t bring that one back, though. But if a gun is otherwise not prohibited and you buy it in that other state, you can bring them back. That is how it works. So, thanks, Steven for the great question. Evan Nappen 33:55 You know, this is all very interesting stuff. I think when you look at how the laws work and the stuff that they don’t want you to know about. And really, if you tie it back into gun shows and such, if you are going to a gun show in a state where you’re a resident of that state during that time, then you can buy guns at the gun show just like residents, because you are a resident. If the gun show has private sales, then you can lawfully make private sales even. You do not have to be at a gun show. It could be a private sale between individuals, as long as that state allows it. You’re operating as a resident of that state and that’s what’s recognized by the federal law. Evan Nappen 34:42 And the moment you’ve been waiting for. The most popular segment on the Gun Lawyer podcast, and that is the GOFU, which is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. And why do we talk about GOFUs? Because a GOFU is an expensive lesson that another gun owner learned that you get to learn for free, and then you don’t become a GOFU. You avoid all the incredible money that they have to spend, the loss of their freedom, the entire system coming down on them, and all the other ramifications that gun rights Page – 9 – of 9 oppression bring on. But the key with a GOFU is you can avoid it if you know what not to do. Today I want to talk about a GOFU that you may think is pretty basic. Yet, I’ve had cases, many cases, where this has happened, and it just blows my mind. But the GOFU is this, folks. We’re heading into New Year’s, right? And hopefully we are going to have the greatest next four years ever. I’m very excited about it, and I’m sure you are as well. But this New Year’s, do not shoot your guns off at New Years. I know that sounds crazy, but there are still people that do this. Evan Nappen 36:03 First of all, you’re discharging your firearm, which there are many just flat out ordinances against firearm discharge. Then if you’re shooting guns, you know, the bullet goes somewhere, folks, and that can be a big problem if it hits somebody or something. We’ve had that happen. The discharge can then escalate further to reckless conduct or other criminal charges. Do you want to lose your guns or lose your gun rights and have an anti-licensing action take place against you? To revoke all your license and take all your guns. Look, don’t shoot your guns off at New Year’s or anytime for that matter. They’re not toys to make noise. To the degree that New Jersey has legal fireworks, do that, but don’t shoot your guns. That is a GOFU that just makes me go, are you really that GOFUing stupid? All right, seriously. Evan Nappen 37:15 This is Evan Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. 37:27 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. 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Episode 217-More Listener Questions Also Available On Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer– Episode 217 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Gun rights, Second Amendment, Biden, executive orders, ATF reform, single use container doctrine, car searches, New Hampshire law, employee rights, sensitive places, New Jersey gun laws, pistol braces, holiday safety, gun transport, police interaction. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen Evan Nappen 00:14 I’m Evan Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Well, I’ll tell you what. We’ve got about 30 days to go before the senile sock puppet is finally gone. And man, that guy is just unbelievable. He’s probably the most gun rights oppressive President we’ve ever had, and he is constantly lying. You know, Lying Biden. The man is constantly lying. So, recently, there was that atrocity. I refuse to call them tragedies. They’re atrocities. Because “tragedy” somehow implies like it’s our fault or something. No, no. They are atrocities. And it was the atrocity that took place in Wisconsin. You know, the attack in Wisconsin at the Abundant Life Christian School (ALCS). (https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2024/12/16/biden- calls-assault-weapons-ban-handgun-attack-madison-christian-school/) And it was with a handgun, a handgun. By a radical feminist. Evan Nappen 01:28 And what does Biden call for? A ban on assault weapons, of course! Ban assault weapons. It seems to be the universal answer to any problem that has to do anything with crime, regardless of the facts. It’s always a call for a ban on assault weapons. Having no effect whatsoever. It would not have made one bit of difference here. But don’t worry. We’ve got to ban assault weapons. This guy’s like a broken record. His legacy is already in the crapper with his approval rating definitely going down as the most failed President in U.S. history, as far as any time when there have been poll taking on a President. The lowest approval ratings for any President, and the highest disapproval ratings for any President. Evan Nappen 02:38 This is the guy, Mr. Gun Rights Oppression, with over 50 Executive Orders on just guns. Every chance he got. You know, he’s bought and paid for by Bloomturd and Soros and the whole crew of anti- gunners. This guy, man, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I mean it. It is going to be so refreshing to actually have a President who’s going to stand up for our Second Amendment rights, to stand up for our Constitutional rights, and of course, not to mention saving America. But this guy, Biden, what a clown. Luckily, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Fast approaching. And all of his damage can be reversed and will be like within the first day or so. Page – 1 – of 12 Evan Nappen 03:42 President Trump has promised to repeal every Executive Order that Biden signed on guns, and the ATF is in the crosshairs. That agency is going to be, if not eliminated, radically reformed to end its war on gun rights. It’s just been something that has been abused by the Executive Branch under Biden. They set out to do maximum executive damage by way of gun rights oppression. And so, it can’t come soon enough, but at least that end is in sight. It is going to be a new day and a new beginning, and I am really looking forward to doing Gun Lawyer shows and reporting on the tremendous progress that we are sure to see. I am very optimistic here about good things to come. So, hang in there, folks, and ignore the sock puppet’s nonsense, as he is essentially shouting into a well at the moment, an echo chamber of senility. Evan Nappen 05:16 So, you know, I get a lot of great questions, and I really do love getting the questions. Sometimes the questions dovetail to other important things in Second Amendment news. So, here I have a letter from George. George asks about a number of interesting things, and I want to talk to you about this as it ties into some other things. So, George asks regarding what’s called the “single use container doctrine”. Hello, Evan. I love the podcast. It’s part of my weekly Sunday routine! Well, thanks, George, I appreciate that. Keep up the excellent work. I just recently heard about the “single use container doctrine” and how it might relate to car searches and the “in plain view” searches police can perform if they see something that obviously looks like a gun case in a vehicle. Could you expand on this a bit? I’m happy to, George. Also, would you recommend using an alternative transporting methods for securing firearms? For example, a guitar case or tool bag, since it does not scream “range bag” or “gun case”. Lastly, I have one of your “I do NOT consent to the search of this bag” luggage tag on my tool bag / range bag. Would that make your average cop go, “Hmmmmmm?” Seeing Fourth Amendment staring back at them? Evan Nappen 06:42 Well, here you go. So, what is the “single use doctrine”? Well, the single use doctrine is actually from some case law, and I think one of the key case laws on that was case from the ’70s called Arkansas versus Sanders. (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/442/753/) Essentially what the doctrine stands for is that if police search and see a container whose purpose is so obvious that a reasonable officer would know what’s inside, then that becomes part of the plain view doctrine. So, if you have a handgun sitting on your seat in plain view, well, there’s no search warrant issue. It’s an exception to the Fourth Amendment for needing a warrant, because it’s in plain view. Evan Nappen 07:45 The single use container doctrine would apply, for example, if it was a gun case. Well, if it was a gun case that plainly is obvious to hold guns, then obviously the officer would argue he knew there was a gun inside. If it was a gun case or a gun box, you know, particularly a gun box from a manufacturer that said the name of a gun company on it. That’s not a giant leap. He’s going to think there’s a gun in there. So, they would claim in your fight on a suppression motion that the search was lawful, that the single use container doctrine could apply, and that plain view would apply, and that would be an exception. That’s why the search could be justified despite not getting a warrant as required under the Fourth Amendment. So, that’s how that works. Page – 2 – of 12 Evan Nappen 08:42 In New Jersey, plain view of a gun case is considered the exception of probable cause for not needing a warrant. So, keep that in mind. The idea of carrying your gun in something that’s not a gun case is a good one. It can be both a theft deterrent and a better protection of one’s privacy. So, a musical instrument case can be a good solution. A toolbox or a tool case. They have those canvas tool bags. You know, they even make gun cases that are nondescript and are not in the shape of a rifle or a handgun. They’re more of a shape of just a rectangular-type, nondescript bag. You could use a briefcase, which is simply a briefcase, but you can line the briefcase with the foam and make it a gun case. There are many different creative solutions if you want to encourage your privacy. Evan Nappen 09:56 The old range tag, if it’s an obvious gun bag, then you’re not consenting. It’s good that you’re not consenting, because you should never consent to a search. That’s right, I said Never. Why would you consent to a search? There’s no reason to. Now, if they can allege the plain view or that on a gun bag, then there you go. But if you simply are asserting your rights, then asserting your rights that you’re not consenting is not probable cause for a search. Okay? I get that a lot. I get it from clients. They’ll say, well, if I don’t want to say anything, they’ll think I’m hiding something. Or if I don’t consent to the search, they’ll think I’m hiding something. Not consenting and not waving your rights is not the premise to then violate your rights. It’s not how it works. You can assert your rights. But if they can overcome your rights with certain exemptions, then it may not matter whether you’ve consented or not. Evan Nappen 11:06 So, that’s where you have to be smart and always protect yourself. Don’t leave things in plain view. If you’re transporting guns in a vehicle like an SUV, always carry a blanket. Go to Harbor Freight and buy those great moving blankets they have. They’re great! They’re tough. They’re durable. Just a standard moving blanket. Keep it in the car, and then cover whatever you’re transporting, not just guns. Cover your suitcases if you’re traveling. Cover whatever you have. Because, number one, if you have the darker windows in the back, which most of them have, the blanket ensures the darkness even better, without the ability to distinguish anything there, and it becomes a theft deterrent. It’s smart to cover your load for both your Fourth Amendment rights and avoiding any kind of plain view issue and as a theft deterrent. It’s very important to do this. Evan Nappen 12:10 I was told this when I was a young teenage driver, way back when. I was into guns, my whole life, you know, and my uncle was a former Chief of County Detectives in New Jersey. I remember I went to see him, and I had some guns. He goes, Evan, cover that with a sheet, cover it. Even then, he knew to cover it. It’s a very important thing. Make it a practice. Cover whatever you’re transporting. Cover it. Do not let prying eyes see what’s in your vehicle. Period. No reason not to do that. So, thanks, George. I appreciate the great questions. Evan Nappen 13:03 Recently, there was some movement that I want to talk to you about in terms of a great new law. Unfortunately, it’s not a law that passed in New Jersey. It’s a law in a state that actually supports the Page – 3 – of 12 Second Amendment. That tries to do things to protect Second Amendment rights, instead of oppressing Second Amendment rights and trying to turn law-abiding gun owners into criminals. This new law was recently passed in the Free State of New Hampshire. Now, New Hampshire is actually probably the freest gun state in America. A lot of people may think, you know, certain states down south or certain states that you know in the West, and many of them are very good. Many of them are, in fact, not gun rights oppressive states. But if you want to really know the state that has incomparable freedom and just stands as a stalwart protecting Second Amendment rights, then you really can’t beat New Hampshire. It is absolutely, in terms of the Northeast, the greatest, most protective state in the union. It really is. Evan Nappen 14:47 They recently passed a law that’s going to take effect on January 1, 2025, that addresses the issue of if you bring your gun to your place of employment. We get this question, particularly those that carry firearms, if I am a licensed concealed carry holder but my work says no guns on the property, and no guns, of course, at the workplace. The problem is there’s a conflict there between an employer’s rights and a property owner’s rights, as to what is going to be on their property, versus Constitutional rights. My personal view, not legal but personal, is that the Second Amendment is a Constitutional right. In my view, again, not the law, in my view, the Second Amendment is equivalent to laws regarding racial discrimination. That kind of thing where you can’t say, hey, no blacks allowed on this property. You should not be able to say no guns. We’re talking about Constitutional principles. But that’s not the law, and there’s the private property issue. Evan Nappen 16:14 Well, what New Hampshire has passed is a law to aid gun ownership and try to protect Second Amendment rights. (https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/12/17/new-hampshire-workers-set-to- be-safer-come-january-1st-n1227176) They’ve passed a law regarding an employee’s right to store firearms or ammunitions in their vehicle. And what it says, in essence, I’ll summarize it. Employers are prohibited from restricting employees from storing legally owned firearms or ammunition in their vehicles while in transit or parked on the employer’s property. So long as that vehicle is locked, and you store the firearm and ammunition and it’s not visible. And, of course, I would say, go further. Put it in a locked case, as we discussed. You know, one of those cable boxes. So, it’s even secured from theft in case the car is broken into. The employer is further prohibited from taking any adverse action against any employee who stores firearms or ammunition in accordance with this new law. Evan Nappen 17:27 These requirements apply to any employer, regardless whether they’re a public or private employer, by the way, that receives public funds from either federal or state government, and regardless of the fundings form or its amount or its level. It also applies to any state or municipality as an employer. The government even is requiring the respect of the Second Amendment by the state itself and municipalities when the state or municipal employees vehicle is on property owned or leased by the state. So, that is a great improvement here. Then they also have some additional elements. They said that all New Hampshire employers are prohibited from requiring an employee to disclose whether they’re storing a firearm or ammunition in their vehicle, and they’re prohibited from searching the Page – 4 – of 12 employee’s vehicle for a firearm or ammunition. Of course, there’s an exception for lawful searches done by law enforcement. So, that’s really great steps forward to working on this difficult issue. Evan Nappen 19:19 However, in New Jersey, of course, you have sensitive place requirements, and employers have complete control over their property. They can prohibit you from even bringing a gun, because under the sensitive places, private property that’s not open to the public is something where you need express permission to have your gun there, and that’s not to be in violation of New Jersey’s gun laws. But if an employer has a policy that says, and even if it’s a public parking lot, but the employer says you don’t bring guns to work. When you come to work, you don’t leave them in your vehicle. Then you could be fired from your job. You know, it’s a job condition. So, you’re risking your employment at least that’s at risk in New Jersey, and you might even have criminal issues. But New Hampshire has taken great steps forward to address that, which is really excellent to see. A state that actually tries to protect our Constitutional rights. Imagine that. Imagine that. Huh, pretty crazy, right? Evan Nappen 20:40 So, let me tell you about some fun stuff at my favorite range, which is WeShoot. That’s the range where I shoot, and where I got my training. Where my family shoots, and where you should shoot, too. WeShoot is offering, and this is so appropriate right now, a free Drone Target. That’s right. Drone season is open at WeShoot. You can go there, and they will give you a free Drone Target per lane. So, if you want to have some fun and prepare for the future, go to WeShoot, grab one of their free Drone Targets and enjoy a day at their spectacular indoor range. Right there in Lakewood. Easily accessible, right off the Parkway, right there in Central Jersey. Evan Nappen 21:37 And you know what? WeShoot has some great sales going on, and they’re offering some really cool guns. They’re particularly focused right now on the new Ruger RXM, which is their latest innovation. It’s designed for precision, reliability and modern performance. They also have the Samurai firearms “Other”. It’s an “other” in their FDE line. Flat Dark Earth line. Combining that sleek Flat Dark Earth styling with unmatched functionality. And it’s quite the tactical gun. They’re also offering the Colt Midnight 1911 – Special Edition, which is a stunningly crafted pistol with a sleek, dark finish. Perfect for collectors and shooters. They also have my good friend, Anthony Colandro, who does Gun for Hire, a good friend, his “Crime Proof” book. It’s there and signed. You can pick up a copy there at WeShoot. So, check out WeShoot for all this fun stuff, at least to look at. You’ve got to see these things, because they’re cool. Evan Nappen 22:58 WeShoot also has a special holiday gift for you. That’s right. They are offering some great deals. They have Radical Firearms AR-15s for only $499. Imagine that! Getting into a New Jersey-compliant AR for only $499. Then they have the SDS Imports 1911 U.S. Army. Can you believe this price for a 1911? Seriously, only $399. Under 400 bucks for a 1911. You can save 5% on gift cards and get an extra 5% on physical cards. They’re running these great deals, great promos, all right before Christmas. So, there’s your place to get your shopping done. Page – 5 – of 12 Evan Nappen 23:57 And, of course, they offer tremendous training. They have New Jersey CCW, New Jersey conceal carry course, and that’ll help you. They have USCCA and NRA courses, etc. They have spaces for New Jersey CCARE. They’re offering it. You can get your PTC renewal certification. You can get your CCARE right there so that you can get your carry in New Jersey. You’ve got to get that certification, and WeShoot is the place to do it. They’re offering an NRA Basic Pistol – Blended. They’re offering Utah CCW, which also can add Florida, Virginia, and Arizona as add ons. All this is there at WeShoot. They also offer New York City non-resident CCW. They can get you trained and get your carries in all these great places. So, check out WeShoot. Go to their website, weshootusa.com. It’s a beautiful website, great photography. You’ll love it. Evan Nappen 25:09 Also, our great Association (Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs) is making progress in the litigation front. We’re waiting any day now for the higher court’s decision over sensitive places, large capacity magazines, and the assault firearm ban, the dreaded assault firearm. Oh, my god! Yeah, it’s a modern sporting rifle. Gun Rights Oppression ban is a much better name. You can know when you’re a member of the Association that you’re part of the solution. You’re backing your great state’s pro-gun group. You’re going to get alerts by email as to the latest updates. You get a beautiful newsletter, the best in the state, and access to their entire “members only” section on the website. So, check it out. Go to anjrpc.org, and make sure you’re a member. I’m on the Board and serve for free. I’m also one of their attorneys, and I am constantly advising over legislation and other issues. I’m proud to be part of it. Make sure you join ANJRPC.org. Evan Nappen 26:28 Now, I have to plug my book. It’s required. That’s right. New Jersey Gun Law, the Bible of New Jersey gun law. That’s the book that everybody uses. Man, it’s the guidebook to New Jersey gun law. Don’t be without it. If you’re a gun owner in New Jersey, you’ve got to have my book. It’s that simple. It would be like getting a product without instructions. I know, as guys, we don’t like to look at instructions, but when it comes to gun laws, you better look at the instructions. You don’t want to end up a GOFU, that’s for sure. My book has been preventing GOFUs for over 25 years, because it’s the 25th Anniversary Edition. And what’s really great is when you get the book, you can scan the QR code right on the front. Make sure you do this, because I have the brand new Comprehensive 2025 Update, which is a complete update of everything in the book that needed to be updated. Because, you know, those laws are changing in New Jersey. There’s even a standalone chapter now that you get for free. You get it for free when you buy the book. Join my subscriber base. It’s private, and it’s free. There’s a standalone chapter on sensitive places. What you need to know as to where you can and can’t carry in New Jersey. All my chapters are in a question and answer format. I wrote it to be so user friendly. You’ll be able to actually understand to the best of your ability, New Jersey gun law. So, go to EvanNappen.com, and you can buy your copy right there. EvanNappen.com. You’ll see the big orange book, click on it, and you’ll have it within a matter of days. Evan Nappen 28:36 Hey, here’s a great letter from Arkadiy, and Arkadiy says, regarding New Jersey sensitive places. Well, get my update, man. No, I’m just kidding. Let’s look at his question. It says, if I’m in Atlantic City on the Page – 6 – of 12 boardwalk, one side is beach, and the other side are casinos. Both locations are prohibited for carry guns. Can I still carry one when I’m on the boardwalk? Well, that gets a little tricky, my friend. When you go to the sensitive places in New Jersey, it says: a park, a beach, recreation facility, or an area or playground owned or controlled by a state, or and there’s a comma, county or local government unit, or any part of such place, which is designated as a gun free zone by the governing body, no governing authority, based on considerations of public safety. Of course, public safety, bababab, right? Evan Nappen 29:42 So, you see is the boardwalk on the beach? Is the boardwalk part of that sensitive place. It becomes very fact sensitive. Has it been declared under the statute based on public safety. Do you know what? It’s going to depend on that very spot. It is a big risk, and unfortunately, at the moment, that has not been enjoined. The injunction on it was stayed by the appellate court. That’s one of the things we’re waiting for the association case. Maybe they’ll go back to that injunction, and then we don’t have to worry about this complicated garbage. But right now, you do. So, my advice is, be careful. Don’t risk it. Just don’t risk it. It’s not worth it. I wish I could tell you, hey, go right ahead and be the test case, but I don’t want you to be the test case. I want you to stay a law-abiding gun owner and not have to deal with New Jersey’s gun rights oppression as they try to destroy gun owners, one gun owner at a time. That should be their motto. We destroy gun owners, one gun owner at a time. That’s our mission, it appears. Considering all the cases I get, I think that is absolutely true. So, I don’t want you to become another case. Even though I’m happy to defend you. I’d be proud to defend you, but I’m sure you’d rather not have that. I can’t tell you how many folks call me and say, Evan, I never thought I’d be calling you, but here I am. That’s right. It’s a fact in New Jersey. So, be careful and don’t push the envelope on that one. Evan Nappen 31:36 I have a letter here from Bill. Bill says, Hi Evan. I was wondering if you got my writeup about letting people shoot pellet guns in their backyard for training. A few weeks ago, I sent a long explanation of why that would really help gun ownership. Let me talk to you. I can’t always get to every question, but I’m glad to address your question, Bill. Air guns, traditional BB pellet guns, are firearms under New Jersey law. So, being able to shoot a BB gun is the same as being able to shoot a modern firearm in your backyard. The problem is many towns have discharge ordinances. There are safety concerns, etc, and you will find that the enforcement is often aggressive. If you’re allowed to shoot a gun in your yard, then you are allowed to shoot an air gun. If you’re not allowed to shoot a gun, then you’re not allowed to shoot an air gun because they’re firearms. And that’s how state law regards them. So, you’re in the same boat. It doesn’t get around the heavy restrictions. Evan Nappen 32:56 And, you know, I once had a case where I had a client who was shooting his bow and arrow, folks, and he got charged. He was shooting at a target. He was a champion archer, and behind his target, he had this little backstop called a barn. That’s right. So, the target was there with a giant barn behind it. It was as safe as it could be. By the way, he put every arrow in the bullseye anyway. But that didn’t stop the town from charging him under their town ordinance, folks, for discharge of a firearm. I’m not kidding. So, I went to court, and I said to the prosecutor, what did he have, a string gun? This isn’t falling under the ordinance at all. You can shoot bows and arrows. Page – 7 – of 12 Evan Nappen 33:48 Oh, well, you know, . . . I said, look, this is garbage. It needs to be dismissed. Otherwise, we’re going to have a trial. The prosecutor said, well, I’ll tell you what. I’ll dismiss it as long as you stipulate to probable cause. I said, no way. No way. When that statement is made, let me translate for you. Stipulating the probable cause means they’ll dismiss it, but you’re promising not to sue them. My client was making no such promises as a matter of fact. And what I told the prosecutor is, you know what? You’re trying to make a quid pro quo here, where, if he does this, you’ll do that, and that’s to protect you civilly. And I think that is ethically a bit questionable, my friend. So, here’s the deal. You can just dismiss it or try it. I got no problem with that. Well, guess what? He dismissed it without the stipulation of probable cause. And my client sued over it, by the way. And that was over a string gun, no less. So, yeah, they’re out there. They’re aggressive. Beware. If that had been an air gun, it would have been a different story. It would have been a lot more difficult for my client on that charge. So, watch out, folks. Evan Nappen 35:11 I have another great question here. This is from Rolf, who says, Dear Mr. Nappen. Thank you so much for your relentless commitment to keeping law abiding citizens out of jail. Your podcast is invaluable in our quest to avoid GOFUs. While I listen to your show most religiously, I must confess I’ve missed some episodes. So, I apologize in advance if this question is repetitive. Given all of the cases surrounding pistol braces and the various rulings enjoining enforcement, I’d like some clarity in terms of whether it’s legal now in New Jersey to own and transport “other” firearms to and from the range and to use one in my home if, God forbid, I need to protect myself and my family. Simple clarity. Evan Nappen 35:57 Well, here’s the deal, man. Although we don’t have a case or statute on it, the State Police have apparently taken the position originally, and apparently still do, that pistol braces are just that. They’re braces, and they don’t make SBRs. They don’t turn “others” into SBRs. A brace is a brace is a brace. And with the federal law being killed by the courts and with the senile sock puppet and company on the way out and ATF having been suitably smashed over this in court, and with President Trump going to immediately repeal all Executive Orders on this garbage as well, I think we’re in good shape at the moment. Now, of course, things could change. We could see an aggressive prosecutor trying to go in a different direction. We still have defenses based on the ignorance or mistake of law because we’re relying on the official pronouncements by the agency in charge, which is the State Police. There’s still a potential issue, but that’s about as clear as I can get at the moment on it. I wish we had something solid, like an actual law or actual case saying this, but right now, apparently things are okay on that front. So, thanks for the question. Evan Nappen 37:30 And I have a question here from Lou. Lou asks, I want to thank you for calling me the other day. Yes, I did, Lou. My pleasure, Lou. I got my CCP. Well, that’s a new one. Is that like, okay, I know what you mean. I’m just kidding, Lou. It’s your carry permit. In the mail this morning. Now I will have to study your book closer. Yes, you will. Study it every day. I love your blog. I have two controversial questions. Is my crossbody purse with an internal holster allowed in New Jersey? Or does the holster law only allow a physical holster on me? No cross body purse. And the section about no carry where pharmaceuticals Page – 8 – of 12 are dispensed. Well, ShopRite (my grocery store) has a pharmacy in it. So, does that make me a felon by carrying in my grocery store? Evan Nappen 38:20 So, on the first question, when it comes to purse carry or fanny pack carry, it needs to be on your person. Now it’s on your person. If it’s in a holster on your person, you’re good. If it’s a purse on your person and it’s in a holster, then it’s on your person and it’s in a holster. It’s okay that it is also in the purse or fanny pack, you see. Now, when you get in a vehicle, you want to make sure that’s right there next to you, still on your person. Always keep it close. Don’t leave it outside your dominion and control. It’s very important. And unless you’re going to unload it and transport it accordingly, you know, in a locked container, etc. So, that’s kind of how that works on those kind of things. In your vehicle, don’t just put it in your glove box, loaded. Don’t have any of those hidey places. You know, those gizmos they sell that hook to your steering column and hold the gun, or magnets that hold a gun. None of that stuff. It’s still got to be in a holster, and it’s got to be on your person. That’s the key. That’s what it comes down to. We’re going to have to be demonstrating that it was in your control, on your person. Not sitting in the back seat and you had to reach over to grab it kind of a deal. Don’t do that. Evan Nappen 39:44 As far as the second question about the dispensary question, we have talked about it, but I’m happy to review it. In the case brought by the state Association by our good friend and colleague, Dan Schmutter, on behalf of ANJRPC, the State went on the record and made it clear that the places that are banned are limited to the sections where the ban takes place. So, if you go into CVS, which is a “pharmacy”, but it’s not the pharmacy part. The dispensary is that separate spot that’s a sensitive place. The CVS store itself, where you can buy all that other crap they sell, that’s not a sensitive place. That’s open to the public. It’s private property open to the public. It’s not the dispensary part. Same thing in the grocery store. So, don’t go to the dispensary part to pick up your prescription while you’re carrying your gun, but you can do your shopping in the rest of the store. Same as if you go to a place where there’s multiple businesses, and one of them, let’s say, is a school. Well, the school is prohibited, but not the other businesses that are there, assuming they’re private, other businesses, fine, that aren’t otherwise sensitive places. So, it’s limited to the section that is the sensitive place. That’s how that works. Thanks, Luke, for some really great questions. Evan Nappen 41:30 And this one is from Andrew, wanting to know, again, about sensitive places. What a matrix of craziness they make us have to walk through and understand in order to lawfully protect ourselves and not be a victim of violent crime, instead able to be a defender, as our Founding Fathers intended. This question is, I have a question about carrying in a restaurant that serves alcohol. Here we go again. That alcohol question, but it’s a little different twist. Andrew says I own and manage a few properties that have a restaurant as a tenant. So, could I argue that it’s my place of business and I should be able to carry there as long as I have I’m not there as a patron? Evan Nappen 42:19 Well, here’s the deal. I don’t care if you’re there as a patron. If you own the property, you are a property owner. The owner of the property, owned or possessed by you, is exempted under N.J.S. 2C:39-6., Page – 9 – of 12 your place of business. You own it. You own the property. It’s property owned by you. That’s ownership because you have a 39-6 exemption that exempts you from the sensitive place prohibition. Now, it doesn’t exempt your employees. It only exempts you. You’re that owner. It’s your business. If you own that property, then you are exempted from a sensitive place restriction on that property. Same, for example, doctors can’t carry. There’s a sensitive place of a medical office. But if the doctor owns their office, then that is their place of business. If it’s theirs, they can carry, even though others and patients can’t. It’s because the exemptions under 39-6 are an exception to sensitive places. By falling under that exemption, you are protected. That’s how that works. Evan Nappen 43:51 I have a question here from Jeff, who says, Hi, Mr. Nappen. Thank you for your good work in protecting all of us. He’s a member of U.S. Law Shield, the NRA, 2AF, DRGO, JPFO, and ANJRPC. Thank you, Jeff, for belonging to all those great groups. It’s critical that we unify in our fight. And a loyal listener to your podcast. That’s most important. Just kidding. As well as Gun for Hire, yep, our good friend, Anthony Colandro with Gun for Hire. And Branca. I have your book, of course. Well, you’re very active in following your rights, and I give you credit for that and protecting your rights. And Jeff says, I have a permit to carry, and I follow every rule to the T. That is a good thing to do. I’m still trying to determine whether if I’m stopped for a traffic violation, and I inform the officer that I’m carrying as I’m compelled to do, if he asks to inspect the handgun, do I need to comply? Why? Is he entitled to unload my gun? Is he entitled to inspect the serial number? Is he entitled to hold it or keep it or do anything with it, and for how long? I see everything from the duty to inform to the duty to comply with his orders as unconstitutional, illegal, and tyrannical. And a violation of my First and Second and Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights, but I don’t want to be the test case. Thank you very much. And Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Evan Nappen 45:31 You know, Jeff, I get it man. I feel the same way as you, but again, I don’t want to be the test case. And what New Jersey has is the Duty to Inform. And, yeah, you know, it’s being challenged, and it’s up for grabs as to whether it is constitutional that you have to say you have a carry if you have a carry permit and you have a gun, whether you’re transporting it or carrying it. Whereas those that don’t have a permit to carry have no such duty to inform. If you don’t have a permit to carry, you don’t have to inform. If you’re carrying your gun illegally, you don’t have to inform. Somehow, only permit holders have this duty to inform. I get it. It’s annoying. It seems wrong on its face, but we don’t have that court case yet, killing it. So, you need to obey it, unless you want to become that test case, which you don’t want to be. I don’t want to see it become that. So, you have to inform, and you have to show your permit. Evan Nappen 46:31 There is another section that says, if they’re performing an investigation, they have a right to take your gun. They have a right to ask for it and to see it. So, my advice is this. Once you’ve informed them and told them, don’t try to stop them. Let them examine your gun. Let them make it safe, if that’s what makes them feel safe. Look, cops have a tough job to do. I don’t want a society without police. Police help keep us protected and civilized. I believe in the police. I really do. Sure, I’m a defense attorney, but there are plenty of great cops out there that do a great job. I salute them, and I’m glad they’re there. So, look, the cop is trying to do his job. You’ve got to use some common sense and understanding there. Page – 10 – of 12 And look, I love our rights, and I want to stand on our rights. But sometimes, you’ve got to weigh everything and think about it. Since the law does say that you have to inform, the law does say you have to produce your permit, and it does say they have a right, if they’re going to investigate, to take the gun, then my advice is, let them. Cooperate. Let them. You have to obey the law until we get some case where somebody didn’t, and maybe makes that difference. But till then, that’s what it is. Evan Nappen 48:02 And you know, it’s not always just following the law. I’ve been in states where there’s no duty to inform and get pulled over for some reason, some minor reason, who knows what? Maybe they just want to advise you about something for your own safety, not even about a traffic violation itself. Maybe a headlight is out, and you didn’t know it. Or your brake light is out, and you don’t even know it, but they want to advise you. I’ve told officers that I’m carrying, even though it wasn’t required to. Because, you know what? I don’t want to get shot. I don’t want them to be nervous. I’m legal. Sometimes I do. Depends on the circumstance. Use common sense there, okay? That can be an important thing too. You need to follow common sense. And sometimes, whether the requirement is there or not, you still may wish to. Now, as far as what they can do with it, well, I don’t think they can start test firing it there on the road. That would not be good. But I’ve heard many cases where officers might make the gun safe, unload it, and then they give it back when they’re done. Evan Nappen 49:12 Now, on the other side of this coin, we’ve run into situations where the police have violated blatantly individual’s rights. Because they informed, because they followed the law, individuals have gotten arrested. I mean, hell, put in cuffs, and held for a long time. It’s not good. They are trying to make out that somehow their carry was unlawful, because they are misreading the gun law. The law about transport says that it has to be unloaded and in a case even with a carry permit. However, that law has been enjoined by our great state Association in its litigation and that injunction is still in effect. You do not have to transport that way at all. But because the Attorney General has not put out guidance on this and has not informed law enforcement of this, they see the law and think the person who has obeyed the law in their duty to inform is in violation of the law, when in fact, the actions taken by that officer are blatantly violating that person’s rights. There’s a lot of blame to go along with that. From the Attorney General not issuing guidance to the police not being trained and taught as to what is law and what is not. I’ve had a number of those cases already, folks, where the person has been unlawfully detained because of this lack of training. I hope it gets addressed. It’s a problem. Evan Nappen 51:11 What about this week’s GOFU, my friends? And this week’s GOFU? Well, we have Christmas and Hanukkah, and let me wish you all a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and just have a great holiday. But with this holiday season, I see cases that come about every year. And what it is is this. This is a GOFU, my friends. If you’re carrying during the holidays and you’re at your family party or whatever, relatives over, the whole bit, keep your gun concealed. Don’t show your gun. Don’t pass it around for the relatives who don’t know jack about guns to handle and then we get a problem. Yeah, I’ve had those actual GOFUs. It’s your gun. New Jersey doesn’t allow you to have temporary transfer. So, don’t be showing it off, or passing it around, okay? Yeah, you can have yourself protected. Keep it on your person. Carry it properly. Or else have them secured in your home properly. If you have people coming Page – 11 – of 12 over that don’t know anything about guns, and even if they do, do not allow access to your firearms during the holidays. It’s that simple. But I guarantee you, folks, that I’m going to have cases. I’m going to have cases after the holidays. It never fails. Please don’t be that GOFU. Please keep guns away from everybody else. Feel free to talk about guns. Feel free to talk about our rights and all that great stuff. But keep your guns secured, either on your person or properly secured in your home, as you have relatives and friends and others come over. Or if you’re going to other places, make sure if you’re going to a friend’s place, it’s private property and that you have permission in advance to go there. Because otherwise, it’s a sensitive place and you’re prohibited because that’s not open to the public. No more GOFUs, my friends. That’s our mission. I want to keep everybody legal and safe as we fight to increase our liberty. Evan Nappen 53:44 This is Evan Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. 53:56 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state. Page – 12 – of 12 Downloadable PDF Transcript Gun Lawyer S3 E217_Transcript About The Host Evan Nappen, Esq. Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets. 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