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1 You Can Visit All Seven Continents. But Should You? 26:46
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For many travelers, Antarctica is a bucket-list destination, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to touch all seven continents. In 2023, a record-breaking 100,000 tourists made the trip. But the journey begs a fundamental question: What do we risk by traveling to a place that is supposed to be uninhabited by humans? And as the climate warms, should we really be going to Antarctica in the first place? SHOW NOTES: Kara Weller: The Impossible Dilemma of a Polar Guide Marilyn Raphael: A twenty-first century structural change in Antarctica’s sea ice system Karl Watson: First Time in Antarctica Jeb Brooks : 7 Days in Antarctica (Journey to the South Pole) Metallica - Freeze 'Em All: Live in Antarctica Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices…
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Jason Mlicki, agency leader, and Jeff McKay, former global CMO, discuss growth, marketing, and life in professional services in this weekly podcast. The duo offers divergent thoughts on solving the issues practice leaders and marketers confront—or probably should—including stupid sh*t Marketing should NOT do, how Marketing ruins everything, the BS of professional services, and unleashing your Young Turks. Executive guests and industry experts join frequently to share their insights and experiences. It’s all served up with humor and a refreshing dose of reality from two guys who know how to grow firms.
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Jason Mlicki, agency leader, and Jeff McKay, former global CMO, discuss growth, marketing, and life in professional services in this weekly podcast. The duo offers divergent thoughts on solving the issues practice leaders and marketers confront—or probably should—including stupid sh*t Marketing should NOT do, how Marketing ruins everything, the BS of professional services, and unleashing your Young Turks. Executive guests and industry experts join frequently to share their insights and experiences. It’s all served up with humor and a refreshing dose of reality from two guys who know how to grow firms.
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1 Is PS Marketing Ahead of the Game or Behind? 39:27
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Is professional services marketing behind the curve? Jeff and Jason dig into the industry’s creative, strategic, and resource challenges—and the timeless advantages it still holds. The post Is PS Marketing Ahead of the Game or Behind? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
The post The Evolution of Professional Services Marketing: A 25-Year Retrospective appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
The post How AI is Changing Marketing’s Roles appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .

1 Differentiation: Is It Getting Harder? Or Easier? 43:01
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From AI-enabled search to the growth of industry directories, the forces of the market are making it harder to differentiate a firm. Or are they? The post Differentiation: Is It Getting Harder? Or Easier? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .

1 The Credibility Crisis: Its Impact on Society, Business, and Professional Services Firms—and What to Do About It
We examine the growing credibility crisis shaking society, business, and professional services. Learn how declining trust in experts and institutions is reshaping decision-making. Featuring data from Edelman, Pew, Gartner, and Deloitte, this episode offers actionable strategies to rebuild trust and drive lasting success. The post The Credibility Crisis: Its Impact on Society, Business, and Professional Services Firms—and What to Do About It appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…

1 How Firms and Software Companies Can Drive Business Together with Patrick Ferdig, CEO of Power of Partnering 43:34
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Many of the fastest-growing firms are deeply embedded within software ecosystems. Patrick joins the show to explore the secret sauce that makes a partner strategy work. The post How Firms and Software Companies Can Drive Business Together with Patrick Ferdig, CEO of Power of Partnering appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…

1 The Tercera 30 Market Movers and Partners with Bill Magnuson, Co-Founder and CEO of Braze, and Michael Burton, Co-Founder and CEO of Stitch 40:13
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What does a great software + services firm partnership even look like? Bill Magnuson of Braze and Michael Burton of Stitch show us, real-time. The post The Tercera 30 Market Movers and Partners with Bill Magnuson, Co-Founder and CEO of Braze, and Michael Burton, Co-Founder and CEO of Stitch appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…

1 A Peek Inside The Tercera 30 with Chris Barbin and Michelle Swan 46:55
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Chris and Michelle join us to talk about Tercera’s strategic investments in thought leadership and break down the release of the firm’s research, the Tercera 30. The post A Peek Inside The Tercera 30 with Chris Barbin and Michelle Swan appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .

1 2025 Marketing and Growth Priorities. Are They New or Evergreen? 48:54
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From changing regulations to AI and finding better ways to connect with clients, Jeff and Jason set strategic priorities for professional services firms in 2025. The post 2025 Marketing and Growth Priorities. Are They New or Evergreen? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .

1 CROs, CCOs, CXOs? The Changing Role of the CMO with Denise Dahlhoff of The Conference Board 51:32
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There are some new members hanging around the C-Suite of a lot of corporations. How’d they get there and why? Denise Dahlhoff shares her latest research unpacking the trend and what it means. The post CROs, CCOs, CXOs? The Changing Role of the CMO with Denise Dahlhoff of The Conference Board appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…

1 Winning the Battle for Mindshare When the Competitor is a Bot 46:55
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AI is changing both how clients seek solutions to problems and how they vet firms to hire. Jeff and Jason wrestle with these changes and offer a clear path forward for firm leaders and marketers. The post Winning the Battle for Mindshare When the Competitor is a Bot appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…

1 Marketing Channels: Which Ones are the Right Ones for Your Firm 47:44
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SEO, podcasts, conferences, advertorials, blogs … so many marketing channels to choose from. But which ones are right for MY firm? The post Marketing Channels: Which Ones are the Right Ones for Your Firm appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .

1 Why People Don’t Understand Data and What to Do About It with Bill Shander 47:41
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Data visualiation expert Bill Shander joins the show to talk about why people don’t understand data, how to increase the data literacy of your teams, and how to shape a compelling POV using data. The post Why People Don’t Understand Data and What to Do About It with Bill Shander appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…

1 Segmentation: The Marketing Foundation Firms Seldom Get Right 54:18
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It’s the essence of strategy and the basis of everything—culture, hiring, IP, marketing, sales and client service—Segmentation. Most firms get it wrong. Here’s how to get it right. The post Segmentation: The Marketing Foundation Firms Seldom Get Right appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .

1 The Antidote to Crappy Buyer Personas with Jim Kraus 52:41
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Most buyer personas are little more than fictional avatars. Jim Kraus, President of the Buyer Persona Institute, shows us how to develop a persona that helps you truly understand the buyer and buying process you’re hoping to affect. The post The Antidote to Crappy Buyer Personas with Jim Kraus appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Who Should Be Your Firm’s Thought Leaders? 1:01:24
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Picking the right “faces” for your firm is critical to the success of your growth strategy. Jeff and Jason discuss the characteristics of the best thought leaders. The post Who Should Be Your Firm’s Thought Leaders? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Fortitude: The Key to Sustained Marketing Success 48:03
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In many firms, Marketing fails because leadership prematurely gives up on its strategy. In this episode, Jeff and Jason break down why firms quit too soon and how to cultivate the virtue of fortitude to drive long-term success. The post Fortitude: The Key to Sustained Marketing Success appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Intellectual Capital: How to Make an Idea Truly Transformative with Art Zards 52:02
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Jason and Jeff welcome expert speaking advisor, Art Zards, to explain why some ideas break through and transform the world around us. And, why others die before the applause even ends. The post Intellectual Capital: How to Make an Idea Truly Transformative with Art Zards appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Bi-centennial: A Look Back at the Hits, “Near Misses” and Lessons Learned from 200 Episodes 43:47
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Jeff and Jason look back at the “killer” insights, occasional misteps, and the most important things they’ve learned from 5 years of podcasting. The post Bi-centennial: A Look Back at the Hits, “Near Misses” and Lessons Learned from 200 Episodes appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Referral Genealogy and Developing the Proper Referral Mindset with Brian Caffarelli 48:03
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Brian shares how to think about referrals, trace the genealogy of our best referral partners, and balance the critical push/pull of both giving and asking for them. The post Referral Genealogy and Developing the Proper Referral Mindset with Brian Caffarelli appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Using Online Reviews to Drive Referrals with Katie Hollar of Clutch 44:08
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Katie shares the methodology that online marketplaces like Clutch use to publish client reviews and suggests how firms can leverage them to drive a “flywheel through referrals.” The post Using Online Reviews to Drive Referrals with Katie Hollar of Clutch appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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If you want to actively pursue a referral strategy, when should you ask? And what should you say? Jeff and Jason dive into the mechanics of asking for referrals. The post Referrals: When and How to Ask for Them appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Referrals. What Are They? How to Position Yourself to Get More of Them. 51:00
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“Do good work and good things follow.” It’s the typical referral strategy of most firms. But it’s woefully incomplete. Jeff and Jason dig deep into what a referral is and how to earn more of them. The post Referrals. What Are They? How to Position Yourself to Get More of Them. appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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Jeff and Jason synthesize the high points they learned from their interviews on AI. And, they recommend what firms should do now. The post AI: What to Do Now appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 How Generative AI is Making Productization More Urgent with Eisha Armstrong of Vecteris 40:34
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For years firms have pursued productization strategies to drive efficiency or create repeatable revenue. AI is making the need to productize one of survival. Learn why and how to respond. The post How Generative AI is Making Productization More Urgent with Eisha Armstrong of Vecteris appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Automation Domination. Lessons Learned from Efforts to Streamline and Scale 6Sense using AI with Brian Wise, CIO 46:37
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Decoding digital buying signals. Streamlining operations. Brian Wise talks about all this and more including a discussion about where AI is in the business “hype cycle.” The post Automation Domination. Lessons Learned from Efforts to Streamline and Scale 6Sense using AI with Brian Wise, CIO appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 How Professional Services Firms Are Using AI in Their Thought Leadership Programs 42:24
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How many firms are using AI? What platforms are they using? How are the most effective firms using AI to drive their thought leadership programs? Jason breaks down his latest thought leadership research. The post How Professional Services Firms Are Using AI in Their Thought Leadership Programs appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Using AI to Drive Personal Productivity with Greg Baugues 58:00
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In our first video podcast, Greg Baugues shows listeners just what you can do with tools like ChatGPT, Midjourney, and more to drive your personal productivity. The post Using AI to Drive Personal Productivity with Greg Baugues appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Assessing How Ready Your Firm and Your Clients Are For AI with Peter Buer and Courtney Baker of Knownwell 39:57
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Professional services firms have the most to lose and the most to gain from AI. Getting your firm and your clients ready is the first step. What does it take? The post Assessing How Ready Your Firm and Your Clients Are For AI with Peter Buer and Courtney Baker of Knownwell appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Unlocking the Real Promise of AI with David DeWolf of Knownwell 45:43
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Over 99% of AI deployments to date have been focused on personal productivity. David DeWolf shares how firms can unlock higher layers of operational and strategic value in their AI investments. The post Unlocking the Real Promise of AI with David DeWolf of Knownwell appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Doomsday or New Day? How IT Services Firms Are Using AI with Michelle Swan of Tercera 55:25
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From writing code to amping up call centers to a virtual wingman — Michelle Swan joins us to talk about how services firms are using AI to drive value internally and with clients. The post Doomsday or New Day? How IT Services Firms Are Using AI with Michelle Swan of Tercera appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Generative AI: How Firms Are Using it Today and How They’ll Use it Tomorrow 38:51
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Jeff and Jason kick off a new series exploring current and future uses of generative AI in professional services. What are the opportunities and risks of its adoption? The post Generative AI: How Firms Are Using it Today and How They’ll Use it Tomorrow appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Unsnoozing the Inbox: Tips on Email Marketing with Ian Brodie 55:25
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The best way to build relationships at scale is with email marketing. Acclaimed email expert, Ian Brodie, joins Jeff and Jason to share his thoughts on how to cut through the noise and “unsnooze your prospects’ inbox.” The post Unsnoozing the Inbox: Tips on Email Marketing with Ian Brodie appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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When you’re missing your revenue targets it’s tempting to chase shortcuts — quick fixes like an aggressive cold email outreach program. Yet, usually, success in the short term requires taking the long view. The post No Shortcuts to Growth appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 The Rainmaker Genome Project with Matt Dixon and Rory Channer 59:40
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DCM Insights founding partners, Matt Dixon and Rory Channer, share the findings of their latest research on what the top pro services partners do differently to drive business development success. The post The Rainmaker Genome Project with Matt Dixon and Rory Channer appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Behind the Headlines-AI’s Impact on Pro Service Marketing 24:52
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From automating interactions at the drive-thru to writing website content, AI is taking the world by storm. In this episode, Jason and Jeff explore the strategic marketing implications of the latest news on generative AI. The post Behind the Headlines-AI’s Impact on Pro Service Marketing appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Revisiting the BS of PS: Are Things Getting Better? Or Worse? 50:01
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There’s an inherent dysfunction that keeps firms from reaching their full growth potential. Jason and Jeff revisit one of the podcast’s earliest episodes to discuss what’s changed. And, what’s stayed the same. The post Revisiting the BS of PS: Are Things Getting Better? Or Worse? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 The Rebranding of Twitter to X. Brilliant Move or Colossal Mistake? 23:57
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The marketing world is all “atwitter” about X. Was this rebrand a brilliant move? Or a colossal mistake? What can professional service firm leaders and marketers learn from the strategy? The post The Rebranding of Twitter to X. Brilliant Move or Colossal Mistake? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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Some strategy firms lack a sound business strategy. Some HR consulting firms lack effective people discipline. Why do firms struggle to apply their expertise to their own businesses? The post The Cobbler’s Children Have No Shoes appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Building a Differentiated Client Experience 32:15
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Jeff and Jason break down what it takes to build a truly unique professional services firm client experience and offer examples of firms leading the pack. The post Building a Differentiated Client Experience appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Thought Leadership Development: The Pros and Cons of 3 Proven Models 33:04
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Insourced, outsourced, and co-sourced. Jason and Jeff explore the “ins” and “outs” of the prevailing ways to develop thought leadership. The post Thought Leadership Development: The Pros and Cons of 3 Proven Models appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 12 Reasons Your Marketing Strategy is Failing 33:07
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From culture to rewards to the “partners’ boat fund,” Jeff and Jason explore all the reasons firms’ marketing strategies fail. The post 12 Reasons Your Marketing Strategy is Failing appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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Jason breaks down how to develop a thought leadership strategy that defines the business issues your firm should own now and for the foreseeable future. And, he does it all in just five steps. The post Thought Leadership in 5 Steps appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Behind the Headlines: PWC’s $1B Investment in AI, China’s Consulting “Crackdown”, and Marketing Lessons from Hyundai 37:51
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We share professional services marketing lessons learned from Hyundai’s brand ascent, discuss marketing opportunities related to PWC’s large investment in AI, and lament China’s “crackdown” on consulting firms. The post Behind the Headlines: PWC’s $1B Investment in AI, China’s Consulting “Crackdown”, and Marketing Lessons from Hyundai appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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We break down the brand of one of the world’s fastest-growing global technology services providers, Wizeline. Gain insight into the impact of a clear go-to-market strategy and relate to some challenges in solution architecture. The post Brand Breakdown – Wizeline appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Building a Go-To-Market Strategy in 5 Steps 40:25
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Jeff breaks down how to get your firm showing up as its best self through a clear go-to-market strategy in five clear, but not always easy, steps. The post Building a Go-To-Market Strategy in 5 Steps appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Behind the Headlines: EY (again), Google AI, and the Morass of Bud Light 38:10
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We dive back into the on-again, off-again EY split, Google’s shift to integrating AI-enabled chat into its search engine, and beer marketing. Yes, beer marketing. The post Behind the Headlines: EY (again), Google AI, and the Morass of Bud Light appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Developing a Differentiated Point of View in 5 Steps 33:40
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A strong POV is the tip of the spear in differentiating a brand and building its relevance in your target market. Learn what it takes for your firm to separate itself from the crowd. The post Developing a Differentiated Point of View in 5 Steps appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Why Professional Services Firms Can’t Innovate with Rita McGrath and Ron Boire 43:10
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Strategy legend Rita McGrath and Ron Boire, her partner at Valize, share a ton of insights on the issues that inhibit professional services innovation and the solutions to address them. The post Why Professional Services Firms Can’t Innovate with Rita McGrath and Ron Boire appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Brand Breakdown – Western Advanced Technologies Inc. (WATI) 32:58
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In this episode, we analyze Western Advance Technologies Inc. (WATI) and cover a litany of foibles that firms, especially IT firms, should avoid in their marketing efforts. The post Brand Breakdown – Western Advanced Technologies Inc. (WATI) appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 Behind the Headlines-Silicon Valley Bank Implodes, Goldman Sachs Fails, Pricing Approaches Evolve 38:12
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We dive into the deep, stormy waters of economics, banking, and pricing to make sense of a rapidly changing business environment. What can firms learn from recent events to make their own growth strategies more resilient and effective? The post Behind the Headlines-Silicon Valley Bank Implodes, Goldman Sachs Fails, Pricing Approaches Evolve appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Loving Your Clients with Fred Reichheld, Bain Fellow and Creator of Net Promoter 31:46
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Fred Reichheld, creator of Net Promoter and author of Winning on Purpose, shares how professional services firms can become truly client-centric and realize the promise of NPS. The post Loving Your Clients with Fred Reichheld, Bain Fellow and Creator of Net Promoter appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Strong POV, Strong Partners, Strong Growth with Michael Burton, CEO of Stitch 31:18
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Michael Burton, CEO of upstart technology consultancy Stitch, talks about about his new firm’s value proposition, growth strategy, technology partner selection, and the benefits of declaring a strong POV. The post Strong POV, Strong Partners, Strong Growth with Michael Burton, CEO of Stitch appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Breaking Through Growth Ceilings with Dev Patnaik, CEO of Jump Associates 50:57
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Dev Patnaik shares his 25-year journey founding and growing the world’s leading independent strategy and innovation consulting firm. The post Breaking Through Growth Ceilings with Dev Patnaik, CEO of Jump Associates appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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In our second installment of “Brand Breakdowns,” we dissect management consulting firm, Clarkston Consulting. Learn some great stuff about industry programs and thought leadership development from this well-marketed firm. The post Brand Breakdown – Clarkston Consulting appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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Being clear on whom you serve and why is the foundation of the success of any marketing strategy or initiative. We discuss how identifying your Ideal Client addresses a litany of problems professional services firms experience when trying to drive growth. The post Selecting Your Ideal Client In 5 Steps appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Behind the Headlines-Management Consulting Influence, Performance Marketing, Salesforce, and ChatGPT 36:52
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We discuss if the management industry is a hot mess, do firms need a CMO who is a brand marketer or a performance marketer, what life is like for channel partners when activist investors attack a core partner, and how ChatGPT will change the world and your industry. The post Behind the Headlines-Management Consulting Influence, Performance Marketing, Salesforce, and ChatGPT appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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1 Overcoming Client Indecision with Matt Dixon, Co-Author of The Challenger Sale and JOLT Effect. 38:18
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Challenger Sale author, Matt Dixon, shares how to overcome client indecision with findings from his latest book, JOLT Effect, covering the research of 2.5M sales interactions. The post Overcoming Client Indecision with Matt Dixon, Co-Author of The Challenger Sale and JOLT Effect. appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .…
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Moviri becomes the first firm to be assessed in our new episode format, “Brand Breakdowns.” We analyze this software development firm’s market face from top to bottom to discern what’s working and what could use some work. The post Brand Breakdown – Moviri appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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1 5 Steps to a High-Performance Lead Generation Program 34:43
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Jeff and Jason break down how to build a system that proactively opens conversations with prospective clients. The post 5 Steps to a High-Performance Lead Generation Program appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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