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Episode 42 - Jesus Mythicism
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Episode 42 – Show Notes
After promising this for a while, at last we tackle Mythicism which in our context is the idea that Jesus never existed as a historical human being. None of us subscribe to the idea but we find it an interesting idea and movement to learn from, both in what they use as evidence and what kind of person believes in Mythicism. It leads us to question what we can actually determine about Jesus of Nazareth that isn’t myth, either from Jewish or Greek/Roman stories and tropes.
Some links:
The discussion with Robyn Walsh on her new work about use of Roman tropes (or not) in the gospels, we had listened to it on the NT Pod:
https://podacre.blogspot.com/2021/06/nt-pod-98-origins-of-early-christian.html
The book on use of material from the Old Testament such as Elijah and Elisha in the gospels:
"Gospel Fictions" by Randel Helms 1988
The BBC Radio 4 discussion on Agrippina the Younger
“In Our Time” episode of 31 March 2016 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b074yzwk
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After promising this for a while, at last we tackle Mythicism which in our context is the idea that Jesus never existed as a historical human being. None of us subscribe to the idea but we find it an interesting idea and movement to learn from, both in what they use as evidence and what kind of person believes in Mythicism. It leads us to question what we can actually determine about Jesus of Nazareth that isn’t myth, either from Jewish or Greek/Roman stories and tropes.
Some links:
The discussion with Robyn Walsh on her new work about use of Roman tropes (or not) in the gospels, we had listened to it on the NT Pod:
https://podacre.blogspot.com/2021/06/nt-pod-98-origins-of-early-christian.html
The book on use of material from the Old Testament such as Elijah and Elisha in the gospels:
"Gospel Fictions" by Randel Helms 1988
The BBC Radio 4 discussion on Agrippina the Younger
“In Our Time” episode of 31 March 2016 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b074yzwk
Doubts Aloud Links:
Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.
Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com
Join the Facebook Group discussions:
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Episode 42 – Show Notes
After promising this for a while, at last we tackle Mythicism which in our context is the idea that Jesus never existed as a historical human being. None of us subscribe to the idea but we find it an interesting idea and movement to learn from, both in what they use as evidence and what kind of person believes in Mythicism. It leads us to question what we can actually determine about Jesus of Nazareth that isn’t myth, either from Jewish or Greek/Roman stories and tropes.
Some links:
The discussion with Robyn Walsh on her new work about use of Roman tropes (or not) in the gospels, we had listened to it on the NT Pod:
https://podacre.blogspot.com/2021/06/nt-pod-98-origins-of-early-christian.html
The book on use of material from the Old Testament such as Elijah and Elisha in the gospels:
"Gospel Fictions" by Randel Helms 1988
The BBC Radio 4 discussion on Agrippina the Younger
“In Our Time” episode of 31 March 2016 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b074yzwk
Doubts Aloud Links:
Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.
Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com
Join the Facebook Group discussions:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/
Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:
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After promising this for a while, at last we tackle Mythicism which in our context is the idea that Jesus never existed as a historical human being. None of us subscribe to the idea but we find it an interesting idea and movement to learn from, both in what they use as evidence and what kind of person believes in Mythicism. It leads us to question what we can actually determine about Jesus of Nazareth that isn’t myth, either from Jewish or Greek/Roman stories and tropes.
Some links:
The discussion with Robyn Walsh on her new work about use of Roman tropes (or not) in the gospels, we had listened to it on the NT Pod:
https://podacre.blogspot.com/2021/06/nt-pod-98-origins-of-early-christian.html
The book on use of material from the Old Testament such as Elijah and Elisha in the gospels:
"Gospel Fictions" by Randel Helms 1988
The BBC Radio 4 discussion on Agrippina the Younger
“In Our Time” episode of 31 March 2016 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b074yzwk
Doubts Aloud Links:
Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.
Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com
Join the Facebook Group discussions:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/
Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:
https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London
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1 Episode 84 - Flat Earth Update and a Jesus Mosaic 1:27:39
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1:27:39Show Notes We start from an informative update on the Flat Earth movement. Their model for the earth usually includes a wall of ice round the rim – Anarctica, that implies the 24 hour sunshine in the Anarctica summer is impossible and their claims often include that it does not occur. So what happens when a group of prominent Flat Earth advocates are paid to visit Anarctica during its summer? That happened this month. For the rest of the show we discuss another story doing the rounds. It is prompted by the Museum of the Bible putting on display a mosaic from Israel which was uncovered in 2005 and was discussed back then. It dates to around 230AD and includes the phrase “God Jesus Christ” in one of its inscriptions. We deal with the context both in terms of the developing doctrine of the Trinity and in terms of apologists jumping on the latest ‘thing’. Links: A full video on the update on a Flat Earth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEc86p1vgLM Short one: https://youtube.com/shorts/HTSvI--ZVYg?si=jsEoFYmlLpHIzdXc CBN (The Christian Broadcasting Network Inc) on the ‘Jesus Mosaic’: https://youtu.be/C_fTfAsJ5Lc?si=KdeNMfBMspCUfHfh Cameron’ Capturing Christianity video https://youtu.be/zFPHoLFijUs?si=oKxGbVKKRK3REwnY A qualified academic Professor Christopher Rollston is Sean McDowell’s guest here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw4lme5eLmA And here is a blog by Prof Rollston of George Washington University http://www.rollstonepigraphy.com/?p=1004 Past excitements: Curse Tablet – our episode 68 First-century fragment of Mark Wallace’s online announcement https://danielbwallace.com/2012/03/22/first-century-fragment-of-marks-gospel-found/ His apology blog: https://danielbwallace.com/2018/05/23/first-century-mark-fragment-update/ The Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_137 The mummy mask papyrus, Craig Evans: https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/21/living/gospel-mummy-mask/ https://www.northridgerochester.com/theology-1/mummy-mask-may-reveal-oldest-fragment-of-the-gospel-of-mark Piece by Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13935 Claims of it being a front for getting fragments without need for provenance https://art-crime.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-gospel-truth-how-laundering-of.html Searches for Noah's Ark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searches_for_Noah%27s_Ark Egyptian Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2018/10/11/fake-news-in-biblical-archaeology/ Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com…
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1 Episode 83 - Dickens and “A Christmas Carol 1:13:56
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1:13:56Show Notes We start with the recent UK Parliament decision in favour of assisted dying and the religion and secular division that it brought out. Then we enjoy discussing Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol at length. There’s a debate among academics on whether it is a fully secular story, or if it is a Christian allegory. We wade in. The question on what Dickens’ own beliefs were has relevance and it seems that he had a “works not faith” view of Christianity, especially with reference to A Christmas Carol (or in Ed’s words “a wishy washy Anglican”). We see a message similar to Jesus’ in Luke’s gospel in particular as well as the synoptics in general, which is in conflict with material in the rest of the NT. Links: The BBC documentary on assisted dying “Better Off Dead?” with actress Liz Carr https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001z8wc A short academic resource on Dickens and Christianity https://dickens.ucsc.edu/resources/faq/religion.html We recommend the wikipedia page on the novella https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Christmas_Carol And the Melvin Bragg BBC Radio 4 “In Our Time” episode on it https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0012fl5 Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com…
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1 Episode 82 - Yes Jesus Died and Design Arguments Part 1 1:24:07
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1:24:07Show Notes We start with the next chapter selected by the randomiser in our 50 Arguments for God book. “Can We Be Certain That Jesus Died on a Cross? A Look at the Ancient Practice of Crucifixion” We agree that the answer is Yes, and enjoy ourselves on the way. Then we move on to another random chapter which is on how our planet is ideal for doing astronomy – “Designed for Discovery”. This leads to a wider discussion on Design Arguments. We look at their history and cover Aquinas, Hume and Paley, but run out of time at the start of the 19thC. Links: The 50 Arguments for Faith book: “Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science” by Mike Licona and William Dembski. (It can be found on Amazon.) The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy entry on Hume and The Argument from Design: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hume-religion/#ArgDes And on Design Arguments generally: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/teleological-arguments/#Int Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com…
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1 Episode 81 - St Kilda, Isolation and Religion – Part 2 Religion poisons everything? 1:01:13
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1:01:13Show Notes Ed continues relating the history of the remote isolated Scottish island of St Kilda and its amazing community. We had finished Part 1 at about 1700 AD with a kind of Utopia and a gentle folksy religion. Here we discuss its decline (our take) into a harsh, puritan, rule-bound and Calvinist kind of religion. And we ask how it could have happened and whether it’s a case of Hitchen’s “Religion poisons everything”. Links: That key book: Tom Steel, The life and death of St Kilda, 1975, Fontana. French website on St Kilda translated – www.kildaprojet.com That Napier Commission on the Outer Hebrides – interviews: https://napier-outerhebrides.blogspot.com/2010/05/st-kilda-2-june-1883-i.html Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com…
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1 Episode 80 - St Kilda, Isolation and Religion - Part 1 Utopia?mp3 1:07:50
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1:07:50Show Notes Ed shares from his longstanding interest in the remote isolated Scottish island of St Kilda and its amazing community that survived for 1000s of years up to 1930. In part 1 we cover its geography, community structure and social conditions, and then its religious history finishing around 1700 which was when outsiders began worrying about their souls. How did a small isolated community work in beliefs, morals and even economic arrangements? Links: Do a google-images on “St Kilda Scotland” That key book: Tom Steel, The life and death of St Kilda, 1975, Fontana. Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com…
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1 Episode 79 - A deep dive into Daniel’s 70 Weeks prophecy 1:30:17
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1:30:17Show Notes We covered the book of Daniel in episode 44 explaining it’s likely ‘forgery’ status and we briefly discussed his 70 Weeks prophecy in that episode. Here Andrew leads us into a deep dive, plunging the murky waters. Indeed, studying the prophecy has been called a ‘dismal swamp’. We discuss how all approaches, apologetic or scholarly, lead to difficulties making “Daniel’s” weird maths fit with historical dates. Needless to say, apologetic claims that the fulfilled prophecy of the 70 Weeks are amazing, arresting and should convert an open minded sceptic don’t convince us. At the start of the episode we discuss the prophecy made in April 2024 of the near-miss shooting of Donald Trump. In some respects, this is a good match to the church’s treatment of the 70 weeks prophecy. Links: Richard Carrier on Daniel (he includes a section on the 70 Weeks): https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18242 Key verses: Daniel 9.24-27. (It’s worth reading more for context.) The clip Andrew gave claiming the 70 weeks verses will convert you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWiJCH07kAg&t=29s A great scholarly paper from “The Journal of Hebrew Scriptures” by George Athas which outlines the difficulties in trying to get a fit to historical events and suggesting a theory of what the author of Daniel was doing: https://jhsonline.org/index.php/jhs/article/download/6231/5259/13824 Trump shooting original April 2024 prophecy (start 11 mins in): https://youtu.be/Ey0qVzG8_vU?si=5b2U1I8oDSYVFFq8 An apologist discussing the shooting after the event: https://youtu.be/vsidOPEAERE?si=Js-Gy2UuicT7VwPS Doubts Aloud Links:…
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1 Episode 78 - The McGrewvianism Phenomenon – Part 2 1:27:40
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1:27:40Show Notes In Part 1, friends of the show John Nelson and Josh Parikh returned as guests and discussed “McGrewvianism”, which is the apologetic approach of partners Tim & Lydia McGrew. Their critiques of McGrewvianism centred largely in lack of engagement in the last 150 years of scholarship into the New Testament documents and they related this extensively to the McGrew’s use of ‘Undesigned Coincidences’ to establish the historical reliability of the NT narratives. Jonathan McLatchie, who we also consider a friend of the show, is in the McGrew camp and wrote a helpful response blog, which also concentrated on Undesigned Coincidences. In this episode we discuss his responses and we take a wider look at contradictions between texts as a potentially symmetrical opposite concept to Undesigned Coincidences. Links: We discussed ‘undesigned coincidences’ with Jonathan McLatchie in our episode 29. Jonathan’s blog, which we are responding to, is: https://jonathanmclatchie.com/have-john-nelson-and-josh-parikh-refuted-the-reportage-model/ The tome Andrew mentioned on the Encyclopaedia of Bible Difficulties https://www.amazon.co.uk/International-Encyclopedia-Difficulties-Understand-Zondervans/dp/0310241464 The criminal case Frances discussed: a summary of the Hanratty case is here: https://mobile-webview.gmail.com/-1530513736/426787727007691964 (You can access the full judgment from a link on the summary page.) [We didn’t give Bible references in the podcast to the uncertainty over the disciple Andrew’s home, which impacts on Philip’s. They are John 1v44 and Mark 1v21, 22 & 29] Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com…
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1 Episode 77 - Doubts Aloud Book Club Tom Holland’s Dominion – Part 2 1:26:05
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1:26:05Show Notes We return to our “Doubts Aloud Book Club” with a second episode on Tom Holland’s book ‘Dominion’ which has caused quite a stir in Christian apologetics circles over the last few years. We cover some of the critical responses, including ours. But most importantly we sought out responses from historians. Tom makes a bold and interesting set of claims that we list, and then we assess them with a wider philosophical view to go with the historical story that Dominion presents. Links: The book Dominion: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dominion-Making-Western-Tom-Holland/dp/0349141207 Book reviews we found: Jenkins - in Christianity Today https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2020/january-web-only/tom-holland-dominion-christian-revolution.html De Groot – in The Times https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/dominion-by-tom-holland-review-7pc255qs7 Jonathan Sumption – in The Spectator https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/did-christianity-make-the-western-mind-or-was-it-the-other-way-round/ The Unbelievable episodes with Tom that we discuss: With AC Grayling: https://youtu.be/7eSyz3BaVK8?si=TOdafNjHf22AJuov And with Andrew Ollerton: https://youtu.be/f2_W6eCijV4?si=QBEuJnA1N-xyxS7t The Jennifer Glance book on slavery in early Christianity https://www.amazon.co.uk/Slavery-Early-Christianity-Jennifer-Glancy/dp/0800637895 Rowan Williams book, Passions of the Soul https://www.amazon.co.uk/Passions-Soul-Rowan-Williams/dp/1399415689 Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London…
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1 DA - Episode 76 - The McGrewvianism Phenomenon with Josh & John – Part 1 1:28:36
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1:28:36Show Notes Friends of the show John Nelson and Josh Parikh return as guests together. They introduce Josh’s new term to the world: McGrewvianism, which is the apologetic approach of partners Tim & Lydia McGrew. They are scholars in their own fields but do not use the methods of modern NT scholarship when arguing for the historical reliability of the gospels. Potentially this can be seen as fresh air, but Josh & John dig deeper. This will be the first episode of a 2 part set. Josh & John cover such topics as McGrewvianism treatment of modern NT scholarship and their key ‘undesigned coincidences’ argument. Links: We discussed ‘undesigned coincidences’ with Jonathan McLatchie in our episode 29. John’s blog, which has a post on undesigned coincidences, is: https://www.behindthegospels.com/ The McGrews https://lydiamcgrew.com/ Tim doesn’t seem to have a home page for his work, search for him on Amazon, or here: https://wmich.edu/philosophy/directory/mcgrew Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com…
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1 Episode 75 - Doubts Aloud Book Club: Tom Holland’s Dominion – Part 1 1:28:40
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1:28:40Show Notes Tom Holland’s book ‘Dominion’ has caused quite a stir in Christian apologetics circles over the last few years and we’ve been reading it. We also attended a church leader’s evening where he was the speaker. So we thought we would start a “Doubts Aloud Book Club” with Dominion the first book covered.We introduce Tom, his current faith position and the book, we discuss his style and how much we enjoyed the read. We present the key messages that Tom seeks to make and talk about whether it’s a book useful for apologetics. Finally, we read some extracts that had struck us and discussed them.A later episode on the book will cover more on the critical responses, including ours. He makes a bold and interesting set of claims that we can both learn from and see where we, and historians, may disagree. Links:That book https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dominion-Making-Western-Tom-Holland/dp/0349141207 The Justin Brierley Spectator article: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-christian-revival-is-under-way-in-britain/ Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London…
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1 Episode 74 - The age of the earth with Rev Michael Roberts 1:14:58
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1:14:58Show Notes We are excited to have guest Rev Michael Roberts with us, he’s an Oxford geologist who subsequently became an Anglican vicar. He is extremely knowledgeable on the history of geology and the age of the earth in science, Christian academic thought, theology and the modern Young Earth movement. Did you know that Darwin was a geologist at the start of his career? Neither did we. Links:Michael’s blog is: https://michaelroberts4004.wordpress.com/ Michael’s paper “Just before the Beagle”: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17qo3zEeYKZlwL_Y8DpoX3F-35BO4rPPz/view?usp=sharing His 5 day trip exploring Darwin in Wales https://www.newscientist.com/tours/retracing-charles-darwins-travels-across-north-wales/? fbclid=IwAR372bjMkHAcr0UU4p6B9KqztYkaOk5bxLH4PUgXRT06Nfo75iuhank-gac That Ovid boo k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamorphoses That Genesis Flood 1961 book : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Genesis_Flood ( The link also mentions the Bernard Ramm book “The Christian View of Science and Scripture” we mentioned.) That irreverent cartoon on Adam and Eve overpopulating the globe due to obedience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQrzXmjk-M Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London…
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1 Episode 73 Presuppositional Apologetics Part 2 1:15:49
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1:15:49Show Notes his month we return to that different form of Apologetics - Presuppositional Apologetics. Please see Part 1 - Episode 70 - where we gave a more social and historical background to it. Here we look at the basic argument made: the Transcendental Argument for God, “TAG”. We set it out and discuss implications and objections to it. Links:The Debunking Christianity material on Presup: https://www.debunking-christianity.com/2022/08/the-failure-of-van-tillian.html The short clip of someone doing a ‘reverse Presup’ on Presuppositional Apologists, invoking a “non-conscious power”: https://youtu.be/BPF8lcYWQ1Y?si=_B8mO9jUKdA6z8Q7 Blog expanding on our point that our desire for there to be reliable rationality does not show there ishttps://useofreason.wordpress.com/2019/05/10/the-limitations-of-transcendental-arguments/ Julian Baggini’s book “How the World Thinks” https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-World-Thinks-History-Philosophy/dp/1783782285 The Dan Linford paper given to us by Josh on skeptical theism and how it destroys TAG https://www.dropbox.com/s/4iojx3honcv4mv4/On_Knowledge_Without_God_Van_Tillian_Pre.docx?fbclid=IwAR34-aQh0Kny9J6pTCQbSKyiiuZauzza1j4ddu4WeCTE3XsXCGqdJFq4sa4 Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London…
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1 Episode 72 - Evangelicals and Zionism – How Did we Get Here? 1:24:41
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1:24:41Show Notes We deal with the current conflict in Israel and Gaza by looking at the influence of religion, in the minds of the Israeli leaders & the settlers taking land in the West Bank and also in the minds of the Evangelical Zionist backers in the UK and US. The UK evangelical influence is more of historical interest but the US is very current and is influencing events now. Links etc: The video by Al Jazeera used for extracts at the start of the show – “How Evangelicals Betray Christians In The Holy Land”https://youtu.be/nHT-SjIM0tA?si=yok7IZPkxAMyasQf Sky News – the Benjamin Netanyahu speech with translation, Amalek bit from 1min50shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5LmB6uup3o Guardian article with quotes from a settler and an administrator of settlementshttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/these-are-biblical-lands-promised-to-us-jewish-settlers-in-west-bank-hope-gaza-conflict-will-help-their-cause Pew Research on Jews in Israelhttps://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/08/in-israel-jews-are-united-by-homeland-but-divided-into-very-different-groups/ Israel Policy Forum article (an American Jewish organization that works for a negotiated solution to the conflict)https://israelpolicyforum.org/west-bank-settlements-explained/ The video from Turkish TV with a Rabbi condemning Israeli aggression in Gazahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FNtMV2i8-8 Factual article on the British evangelicals behind the Balfour Declarationhttps://balfourproject.org/evangelicals-the-balfour-declaration-and-zionism/ UK Christian teacher David Pawson's lecture:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ika1apsadrQ Video of Franklin Graham Meeting Netanyahuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWdH8s32pI Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London…
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1 Episode 71 - The One with Us Obsessing over Luke’s Census 1:30:36
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1:30:36Show Notes Merry Christmas one and all and what could be more festive than digging into the historical reliability of that Census? The one Luke uses to set up his nativity narrative. We make our case as to why this matters, after all, Luke is said to be a great historian by many. Then we get to it dealing with the 3 main historical issues with the census as presented by Luke:he says it covered the entire Roman world but there is no record of it elsewhere,he presents this strange idea of ‘everyone’ going to their ancestral home to register andhe that it took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria which was about 10 years after Herod died, but Luke (and Matthew) also place the narrative in Herod’s reign. Of course we dig into the better defenses apologists and bible scholars have proposed. Links etc: Read the key parts of the narrative: Luke1v5, v26-7 then Lk2v1-8 and then v22 and v39. A simple Uni Idaho link we used to start our research https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/census.htm…
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1 Episode 70 - The One on Presuppositional Apologetics 1:25:35
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1:25:35Show Notes This month we (in our view) bravely jump into a completely different form of Apologetics - Presuppositional Apologetics. It can be a bid disorientating as in Andrew’s words it can be summarised as “God’s word says you are wrong so you have no case to make". Frances is more measured with her summary: “the only proof of the Christian position is that, unless its truth is presupposed, there is no possibility of proving anything at all”. We give a brief history starting from Cornelius Van Til “the Father of presuppositionalism”. It is linked with Calvinism, also called ‘Reformed Theology’. It’s use in other religions and branches in Christianity is informative, as it’s usual bedfellow – Young Earth Creationism. There will be a Part 2 on this next year. Links:If you need more we recommend the treatment by the Reasonable Doubts podcast – episodes 97 & 98. Frances mentioned an article by Keith A. Mathison- here’s the link: https://tabletalkmagazine.com/posts/christianity-and-van-tillianism-2019-08/ Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London…
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