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The Trial goes behind the headlines of some of the biggest trials in the world. We take you into the courtroom, bringing you the detail as the evidence unfolds, examining key moments and carrying out exclusive interviews with detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail Production. Seriously Popular.
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In this final episode of the season, Caroline, Jack and Katie discuss the sentencing of Gavin Plumb, who was given three life sentences for his plot to kidnap, rape and kill Holly Willoughby. We also hear that the impact on her has been “catastrophic” and “life changing”. Plus Criminologist Professor David Wilson on how fantasy was reality for Gavi…
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In this episode, Jack and Katie bring you an exclusive interview with one of the past victims of Gavin Plumb, who is speaking publicly about her ordeal for the first time following his conviction for plotting to kidnap, rape and murder the TV presenter Holly Willoughby. Emma Ashby was just 16 and working at Woolworths when Gavin Plumb - who was her…
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In this episode, Katie and Jack bring you the verdicts in the trial of Gavin Plumb. He has been found guilty of plotting to kidnap, rape and murder the TV presenter Holly Willoughby. The episode will reflect on the verdict and bring you new details about the case that have never been reported before. Gavin Plumb denies soliciting murder, encouragin…
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In this episode, Jack and Katie bring you the latest from the trial of Gavin Plumb as the jury were sent out to deliberate whether he is guilty of plotting to kidnap, rape and murder the TV presenter Holly Willoughby. It features the closing speeches of both the defence and prosecution, which has left the jury to decide whether Gavin Plumb genuinel…
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In this episode Caroline and Katie bring you the words of Gavin Plumb as he gave evidence in the witness box. He told the jury his attempts to kidnap women in the past had been a cry for help, and his “plot” to kidnap Holly Willoughby was nothing more than online chat. We also have the dramatic moment police broke down his door to arrest him. Gavin…
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In this episode Caroline and Katie bring you some of the many messages and voice notes Gavin Plumb exchanged with people online as he allegedly plotted to assemble a crew to kidnap, rape and kill the TV presenter Holly Willoughby. His alleged plan unravelled, the jury’s been told, when one of the people he started messaging was an undercover US age…
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In this episode Katie Hind and Jack Hardy bring you the start of the case of a security guard’s alleged plot to kidnap, rape and kill the TV presenter Holly Willoughby. Gavin Plumb allegedly assembled a kidnap kit of cable ties, rope and chloroform, and tried to find a “crew” in chat groups online to help him. The jury’s been told he was obsessed w…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the conclusion to the trial of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon - which has ended with the jury being discharged. They discuss what this means for the defendants and speak to media law expert David Banks about what happens next. Warning: This podcast references court proceedings which detail the death an…
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Please follow 'The Trial of Lucy Letby' wherever you get your podcasts and give us a follow. In this episode Caroline and Liz are back at Manchester Crown Court as neo-natal nurse Lucy Letby returns to the dock. This time she is facing one charge – the attempted murder of a very premature baby girl, known as Baby K. Today, as the trial got underway…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the latest from the Old Bailey where the jury are continuing to consider their verdicts in the trial of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon. It will also feature an interview with court reporter Paul Cheston about the decades he spent working at arguably the world’s most famous court: The Old Bailey. Warnin…
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A very special, week-long true crime event is coming on Monday 3rd June. Nearly 50 years after the high society murder that captivated the world, we present... The Trial of Lord Lucan. Using exclusive, never before seen documents and mesmerising testimony, presenters Caroline Cheetham and Stephen Wright, along with some of the world's most revered …
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In this episode Caroline and Jack explore why juries serving on trials are not given more support. It's because a new pilot project to offer counselling to juries is being launched in 15 parts of the country. We'll be talking to the two psychologists whose research into the impact on juries of serving on a trial, is the driving force for this. Warn…
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In this episode Caroline and Jack explore why juries serving on trials are not given more support. It's because a new pilot project to offer counselling to juries is being launched in 15 parts of the country. We'll be talking to the two psychologists whose research into the impact on juries of serving on a trial, is the driving force for this. Warn…
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In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the moment the Judge, Mark Lucraft KC sent the jury out to start their deliberations. After more than three months of hearing evidence the decisions are now up to them. Before he did this he reminded the jury of the key evidence in the case and what they need to consider during their deliberations. Legal …
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In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the Judge, Mark Lucraft KC. His job now, at the end of this trial, is to sum up this case, to remind the jury of the evidence they've heard. Today he reminded them what Constance Marten had told them as she spent several days in the witness box. He also referred to the evidence from the two pathologists w…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing speech of Constance Marten's barrister, Francis Fitzgibbon KC, as he urged jurors to acquit her of the killing of her baby, Victoria. He told the Old Bailey 'the evidence isn't there' to convict the aristocrat and her partner Mark Gordon over Victoria's death and accused the prosecution of de…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the defence closing speech made on behalf of Mark Gordon by John Femi-Ola KC. He describes Constance Marten as a 'lioness' protecting her cubs and said the death of Baby Victoria was a 'tragic accident'. The episode also features the end of prosecutor Tom Little KC's closing speech. Warning: This podcast…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing speech of the Prosecutor Tom Little KC. He told the jury Constance Marten had told “big fat lies” in her defence. Lies, he said, which “fell like confetti from her lips”. And he said despite Mark Gordon “grandstanding” to police about his “rights” he had refused to give evidence when the mome…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you more of the tense exchange between Professor Peter Fleming and Tom Little KC. The court has also been told that Constance Marten’s parents did hire private investigators to try to track her down, but they said this was not when she was on the run with baby Victoria. Warning: This podcast references court…
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Launching Friday 19th April, Vogue Williams hosts The Apple and The Tree, a brand new podcast where a parent and their adult child get to ask each other about the parts of their shared history they’ve always wanted to know more about, but never given themselves the time to do so. These are deep, intimate and revealing conversations that move throug…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you a key witness in the defence case of Constance Marten - an expert who investigates the unexpected death of babies. Prof Peter Fleming told the court he thought Constance Marten’s account was ‘extraordinarily consistent’ and cast doubt on how the prosecution say Baby Victoria died. Warning: This podcast r…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the final day of Constance Marten’s evidence from the witness box as she told jurors she had wanted to get an autopsy for her baby in the hope she would find the death wasn’t her fault. The episode also features her claim that she had neglected herself to the point of exhaustion in trying to look after B…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack will bring you the latest from the evidence of Constance Marten, as she defended her decision to take her newborn baby into a tent in the middle of winter - saying that 'Jesus survived in a barn'. The episode will also feature claims that a man Constance Marten said inspired her plan to flee abroad has also used h…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the latest from the prosecution's cross-examination of Constance Marten, in which she claims her family placed a travel ban on her by telling the court she was having children to sell illegally and that she was addicted to drugs. The episode also features her claims that she was planning to try to find a…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you more from the evidence of Constance Marten as she reveals she and Mark Gordon considered taking their own lives after the death of their baby Victoria in February 2023. The episode also features the start of the cross-examination as the prosecution question Constance Marten’s decision making in the baby’…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you all the latest from the first day of the evidence of Constance Marten in the witness box at the Old Bailey, where she told jurors that she was fleeing from her family as well as social services when she went on the run with Mark Gordon and their newborn baby Victoria - but denied ever carrying her in a b…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the latest evidence from the Old Bailey, where the trial of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon heard from two pathologists about the possible ways in which Baby Victoria died while on the South Downs when the couple were on the run last year. The episode will also feature the poignant moment jurors were al…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the latest from the Old Bailey, where jurors were told about Constance Marten and Mark Gordon’s history with social services and why a family court decided to take their previous four children into care. The episode will also feature the evidence of an expert in paediatric health - who said a newborn bab…
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In this episode Caroline and Jack have the interview Mark Gordon gave to the detectives investigating the case. He tells them the couple discussed giving the baby up, but the following morning she had died, and even though he tried to give her CPR, it didn’t work. He told them when Victoria died it was every parents worst dread. We’ll also bring yo…
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In this episode Caroline and Jack bring the full police interviews with Constance Marten which took place after the body of Victoria had been found. Constance Marten told detectives the couple were portrayed as villains when they were on the run, and she said the media storm made her too afraid to hand herself in. After Victoria died she said she w…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack will bring you the latest from the Old Bailey, where the trial of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon heard about the moment police finally found the body of Baby Victoria in a shed in March 2023, nearly two months after the couple allegedly went on the run with her. The episode will also feature details of their pol…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the latest from the Old Bailey, where the trial of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon was dramatically halted last week after an explosion under the court. The episode will also feature evidence about the final days the couple spent on the run, when they appeared to scavenge in bins for food, as well as th…
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In this special extended episode Caroline and Liz speak to Esther Ghey, the mother of Brianna. In her first in depth audio interview, Esther tells them about the moment she learned her daughter had been murdered, how she has coped with the past 12 months and how she plans to mark the anniversary of Brianna’s death on Sunday. She also speaks passion…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the dramatic bodycam footage of the moment Constance Marten and Mark Gordon are finally arrested after weeks on the run. In the footage both are asked repeatedly where the baby is, but neither give an answer. The episode outlines the evidence from a woman who says she was awoken on two consecutive nights…
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In this episode Caroline and Liz talk to Dr Carol Stott, an expert in autism, to try and answer some of your questions about the role the condition played in the trial. They bring you a longer interview with criminologist Prof David Wilson, who offers his insight into what drove Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe to kill Brianna. And they also …
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In this episode Caroline and Liz outline all the details from a dramatic day in court as Brianna’s killers were sentenced and their names revealed for the first time. They also discuss how sadism and Brianna’s transgender status partly motivated them Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe to kill. And that just a few weeks ago Jenkinson finally adm…
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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you evidence from two sisters who said they made separate sightings of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon while they were allegedly on the run in Sussex. Pauline Mason told jurors she walked past Marten carrying an infant in a sling.The baby, she said, was very pale - and she believed it was dead. This episode…
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In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the evidence of a dog walker who told the court he knew "something wasn’t right" when he saw Constance Marten and Mark Gordon sitting on a street in Harwich in the freezing cold. Dale Gosling said he could hear a baby crying and he "couldn’t just walk away”. This episode will also bring you the words of a…
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Constance Marten & Mark Gordon went on the run in January 2023, along with their daughter Victoria, born just a few days before. A huge manhunt resulted in them being found in Brighton, and two days after that, Victoria's body was found in a plastic bag on an allotment. The pair have been charged with killing her - which they both deny. In the seco…
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Constance Marten & Mark Gordon went on the run in January 2023, along with their daughter Victoria, born just a few days before. A huge manhunt resulted in them being found in Brighton, and 2 days after that, Victoria's body was found in a plastic bag on an allotment. The pair have been charged with killing her - which they both deny. In this openi…
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In this episode Caroline and Liz discuss why the trial judge, Mrs Justice Yip, has decided to lift reporting restrictions and allow Girl X and Boy Y to be named by the media when she sentences them for Brianna’s murder next week. They also chat to barrister Chloe Ashley about previous cases involving child defendants and what the judge will have co…
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Season 4 of The Trial begins Wednesday January 24th. Constance Marten & Mark Gordon went on the run in January 2023, along with their daughter Victoria, born just a few days before. A huge manhunt resulted in them being found in Brighton, and 2 days after that, Victoria's body was found in a plastic bag on an allotment. The pair have been charged w…
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In this episode Caroline and Liz talk to Professor Alan Woodward, an expert on computer science and cyber security, at the University of Surrey. He explains how Girl X was able to access torture and murder sites online and why the dark web is so difficult to police. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a…
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In today’s episode Liz and Caroline discuss what’s going to happen when Brianna’s killers are sentenced, and their names are revealed to the public for the first time. They also talk more to Mike Evans, the head of crime at Cheshire police, who investigated the murder and was one of the first officers on the scene. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast C…
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Two high school pupils have been found guilty of murdering 16 year old Brianna Ghey. The jury of seven men and five women took just 4 hours and 40 minutes to decide that the boy and girl - who cannot currently be named because of their ages - killed Brianna. Even though it was impossible to be sure who had inflicted the final stab wound that ended …
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In today’s episode we’ll hear the prosecutor insist that ‘both defendants played a part in the murder of Brianna’. But we’ll also hear Girl C’s barrister say that she couldn’t be responsible because there was ‘not even so much as a microscopic droplet of blood’ found on her clothes. Meanwhile, Boy Y’s barrister has argued he was just an ‘extra’ in …
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In today’s episode we’ll explain that Boy Y gave his evidence to the court by typing his answers because he is unable to speak. How he told the jury that Girl X was ‘giddy’ before they met Brianna on the day she died. And how he said he wanted to explain to police that Girl X had used his hunting knife to kill Brianna but instead lied because he wa…
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In today’s episode we will hear what Girl X says happened when Brianna was killed. We’ll hear Girl X admit that the idea of stabbing Brianna was fun. And that she lied to Police and sent a message to Brianna, after she knew she was dead, as a cover. The Trial takes listeners behind the headlines and into the courtrooms of some of the biggest crimin…
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Today we’ll hear that Boy Y thought Girl X’s alleged plan to kill Brianna was a joke - but that it went too far. We’ll also explain what the Police found when they searched their bedrooms. And how notes allegedly written by Girl X outlined the characteristics of serial killers. Both deny the murder. The Trial takes listeners behind the headlines an…
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