A podcast about the people making and using the Elm language, and the things that they do.
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Welcome to Beyond The Beat. I’m Jared Linnen, and in this podcast, I will be diving deep into how some of the biggest and baddest albums were made. It’s the stories, the adversities these bands and artists had to overcome, and how these people got to that place in time where they were able to create a masterpiece of an album. Beyond the Beat is meant to be a long-form podcast, combining my two favourite passions, music and history.
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Join Laura Nicol (your host) as she dials into the stories of startup operators. Each podcast episode reveals the incredible—and often challenging—journeys of building and scaling tech startups across various functional areas. Together, we'll master the art of 'building the plane while flying it, drawing on experiences from leaders and rising stars at Tracksuit, Canva, Culture Amp, Atlassian, me&u, Airwallex, Eucalyptus, and more. Laura's day job is Chief of Staff to Maxine Minter (solo Gene ...
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Ep 32. Coaching with Maxine Minter: How to Be the Best on the Field as a High-Impact, High-Performing Startup Operator
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Today, I'm connecting with Maxine Minter, executive coach, founder of Co Lab, and General Partner of Co Ventures. Coaching and mentoring leapfrogging someone’s career trajectory has been a key theme percolating our recent episodes, SO… recognising that having a coach is a privilege and perhaps more uncommon at the operator level in the ANZ ecosyste…
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Elm Town 80 – Inspired: Roc with Richard Feldman
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Elm pioneer Richard Feldman returns to explain why he made Roc, a direct descendant of Elm. He notes a distinct trade-off of choosing not to have persistent data structures. Later, he shares how his experience teaching Elm informed Roc's design. We even learn about the power of platforms. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logistic…
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Ep 31. Growth Enzyme Mindset: Taylor Fox-Smith on Academia, Channel Partnerships and Building Community at Airwallex
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Today, I'm connecting with Taylor Fox-Smith, Head of Community Partnerships at Airwallex. In this episode, we explore Taylor's formative years and Montessori education and dive into her latest project: building the community function at fintech unicorn Airwallex, a cross-border payments company. We also unpack her lessons from scaling channel partn…
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Elm Town 79 – Inspired: Gleam with Hayleigh
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Hayleigh talks about how Elm has inspired her work, from tools built in Elm such as elm-web-audio and the Ren language compiler, to contributing to the Gleam language and making the Lustre web framework. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2024.04.10 Guest Hayleigh Show note…
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Ep 30. Emily Robinson on Scaling with Purpose: From Leading People and Culture at Linktree to Driving Growth as GM at Kic
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Emily's an incredible people and operations leader who is passionate about doing things differently. Her latest project is Kic, a fitness app quashing diet culture—founded by Laura Henshaw and Steph Claire Smith. In this episode, we explore her journey from corporate to startup land; leading inside a unicorn to a bootstrapped company with year-on-y…
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Ep 29. Building Scar Tissue: Albert Patajo’s Path from Venture Capital to Fatherhood and Scaling Nexl Beyond Series A
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In this episode, we explore Albert’s journey from growing up as an immigrant in Australia to becoming a startup leader and new dad to his daughter, Ava. Albert is a true fundraising nerd, and watching him level up on his way to Victory Road is a joy. We dive into how he built conviction to leave venture capital and step into a leadership role at Ne…
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Ep 28. From Rowing to an All-Women-Founded Exit: Maddi Ingham’s Playbook for Building Unstoppable Chief of Staff Partnerships and Mastering M&A
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In this episode, I dial into a conversation with Maddi Ingham, 2x Chief of Staff, now working in stealth on her next venture. Maddi's career is a testament to her commitment to creating a better world for people and the planet. We explore her journey from management consulting to her catch-all role in Verve Super’s acquisition—a remarkable all-wome…
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Ep 27. Mikayla Hopkins on Building a World-Class Marketing Function and Brand at Tracksuit—Journey from Beer to Beauty to B2B SaaS
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Mikayla builds brands people can't stop talking about. Her latest project is Tracksuit, recognised in The Generalist's Future 50 list as one of the world's highest potential startups. We dive into her career journey from beer to beauty to B2B SaaS; the bumpy (but amazing) road of marketing leadership to $15 million ARR at Tracksuit; the challenges …
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Elm Town 78 – Elm Camp 2024 with Katja Mordaunt and Wolfgang Schuster
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Katja Mordaunt & Wolfgang Schuster return to share their experiences at Elm Camp 2024. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2024.06.26 Guests Katja Mordaunt Wolfgang Schuster Show notes [00:00:34] Setting the scene Elm Camp Elm Camp 2024: Reflections by Wolfgang Schuster [00:…
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Ep 26. A new era, Handing over Calling Operator to Laura Nicol, from front row with Anna Wintour to Chief Of Staff at Co Ventures
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Episode summary: This week, we’re thrilled to introduce Laura Nicol, the new host of the Calling Operator podcast! In this special transition episode, we get to know Laura and her incredible journey—from the front rows of London Fashion Week beside Anna Wintour and Vivienne Westwood to the picturesque Queenstown, New Zealand, where she was among th…
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Elm Town 77 – Breaking your brain with Andrey Kuzmin
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From translating imperative physics into Elm and building 3D interactive tools at work to adding Elm support to Zed and animating the Elm Town logo, Andrey Kuzmin never fails to break your brain. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2024.05.16 Guest Andrey Kuzmin Show notes […
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Ep 25. Shilpa Mohan's journey from award winning interior designer to head of ops at ProcurePro and finding confidence through changes
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Episode summary: This week, we sat down with Shilpa Mohan, Head of Operations at ProcurePro. We explore themes of confidence, career transitions, and true self-belief beyond external validation. Shilpa shares her inspiring vision for diversity in startups, highlighting the positive changes happening in the ecosystem. Tune in for personal stories, i…
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Ep 24. Georgia Marshall on Building community, co-living across the world and small changes for big impact
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Episode summary: This week, Georgia Marshall takes us through her journey from Fishburners to founding Humans for Good and Flock. Georgia shares her experiences building communities, running pitch nights, and developing Flock, a database of diverse communities. Discover how she creates meaningful connections and leverages no-code tools. Perfect for…
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Elm Town 76 – Between the paving stones with Andrew Lenards
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Andrew Lenards illuminates the liminal spaces of his mind, from lo-fi, DIY, punk rock, meditation, & coaching to Joël's Triangle & The Mental Side of Programming. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2024.03.05. Guest Andrew Lenards Show notes [00:00:25] Sponsored by Logistic…
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Elm Town 75 – The Great Wall of Code with Taylor Troesh
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Taylor Troesh recounts his trip across the stack, from the front to the back and back again. Along the way, he divulges his custom operator confession. He currently works at Replenysh using Elm for sustainability. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2024.02.08 Guest Taylor T…
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Elm Town 74 – The road to town with Jared M. Smith
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Mario Rogic comes back to interview Jared about his road to Elm, from the Tandy to JavaScript fatigue, and the inevitable, relieving discovery of Elm. The love for Elm never stops. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2024.02.05 Guest Jared M. Smith Show notes [00:00:28] Spon…
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Ep 23. Jared Bergman's Journey to Vow — From Bionic Eyes to Blowing Up the Bioreactor (Not Literally, Yet)
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Dive into Jared Bergman's journey on this week's episode, where he shares his transition from developing bionic eyes at university to pushing the boundaries of biotech at Vow. Discover the thrilling world of engineering innovative solutions for sustainable food production. This episode is a must-listen for anyone intrigued by the intersection of te…
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Ep 23. Gaby Howard on Navigating the Shift from Founder to Operator in Tech: Insights from Carted and Flaunter
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This week, we delve into Gaby's journey from founding Flaunter to spearheading operations and growth at Carted. Gaby takes us through her unique journey back to an operational role after experiencing the highs and lows of being a founder herself, the shifts in mindset and approach required when moving from leading your business to amplifying someon…
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GUITAR MASTERY: Inside the Insane Way Def Leppard Recorded A Rock Classic
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Def Leppard is known for spending years to record their albums. So when it came to recording guitars for their masterful "Hysteria" record in 1987, the guitar tracks were no different. Phil Collen and Steve Clarke's approach to a more 'MELODIC' guitar sound was unique for rock in the 80's, but was a main factor is "Hysteria" becoming one of the bes…
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Why The Red Hot Chili Peppers Almost Laughed Chad Smith Away
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In the late 80's, the Red Hot Chili Peppers were on the search for a new drummer for the 4th time in their young history. During the audition process, you'd think they'd gravitate towards someone more like-minded in their high energy, punk-funk, wacky style. Yet, it was a guy that initially appeared to be the antithesis of everything they stood for…
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In 2008, Slipknot was known as one of the heaviest bands on earth. But with heartbreak all frontman Corey Taylor could think about after a gruelling break up, they decided to stay true to themselves and not limit their sound to just "heavy and scary". The risk led to one of Slipknot's biggest hits and most enduring to this day.…
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Ep 22. Polina Nesterova on Pioneering Meaningful Change in Health Tech with Neurode, Inventia Life Sciences, and HealthMatch
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Resources mentioned: Radical Candor, Kim Scott Spades, Hearts, Diamonds feedback framework Outlive, the science & art of longevity, Peter Attia Do you have an operator on speed dial who could be perfect for the show? Please share your suggestions with me via LinkedIn. Never miss an episode. Subscribe on your favourite platform: Spotify Apple Podcas…
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When Blink 182 Embraced Their Broken Childhood
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By 2001, Blink 182 was know as the 3 goofy naked dudes from the "What's My Age Again" video. But it was then where Blink's songwriting went to the next level and they started writing about topics more authentic to their background. "Stay Together For The Kids" was singer Tom Delonge's lash out against a broken childhood. And evidently, it connected…
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Elm Town 73 – It actually fits in my brain with Nduati Kuria
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Nduati Kuria shares his journey from studying AI to why Matthew Griffith's elm-ui makes the web approachable. He explains how an innocuous issue on Tereza Sokol's elm-charts led to a new job. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.11.10 Guest Nduati Kuria Show notes [00:00…
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Ep 21. Emma Earley From Unconventional Paths to Remarkable Outcomes: Defying Norms & Embracing Inclusive Leadership at Remarkable
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Resources mentioned: Fair Play by Eve Rodsky Emotional Agility by Dr. Susan David Do you have an operator on speed dial who could be perfect for the show? Please share your suggestions with me via LinkedIn. Never miss an episode. Subscribe on your favourite platform: Spotify Apple Podcasts (Other) CallingOperator.com A note from your host, Laura: M…
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How Florida Strippers Made Def Leppard Superstars
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It's hard to believe, but releasing an album that went top 5 in the Billboard charts didn't make Def Leppard any money. Hell, it didn't even pay off the recording debt to their record label. So about a year after releasing what normally would be a "smash hit" album in Hysteria, the British five-some were happy to hear the rumblings of one song in p…
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Ep 20. Deanna Hood on Becoming a technical leader in Health Tech robotics at Vexev and Inventia, Embracing Learning as a Skill and Shattering STEM Stereotypes.
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Find Deanna here: TikTok / @deanna.stem Instagram @deanna.stem https://dhood.io/ Resources mentioned: Quiet: the power of introverts in a world that can't stop talking Brave not Perfect: Fear less, Fail more and Live Bolder https://www.meetup.com/
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Is "Smells Like Teen Spirit" A Pop Song?
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As a Beatles fan, Kurt Cobain wanted to steer Nirvana's songwriting in a new direction ahead of their album Nevermind. Yet, he knew he couldn't completely move away from the big, brash, heavy guitars. That beautiful contradiction led to the Gen-X anthem, Smells Like Teen Spirit.
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Brian Johnson's First Song With ACDC Was A Huge Hit
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In 1980, Brian Johnson had only been in ACDC a few weeks before the band set off to write and record a new album. He had massive shoes to fill, fresh off the heels of the tragic death of previous frontman Bon Scott. What resulted would literally become the biggest selling rock album of all time, Back In Black. And in terms of songwriting, Brian mad…
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Ep 19. Sam Garven from dreaming of living in the forrest studying gorilla's to people leadership at ZipCo, Kinde + more
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You can find Sam here on Linkedin Resources mentioned: WGEA report: Gender Pay Gap Fair Work amendments 2024 Josh Bersin Podcast Do you have an operator on speed dial who could be perfect for the show? Please share your suggestions with me via LinkedIn. Never miss an episode. Subscribe on your favourite platform: Spotify Apple Podcasts (Other) Call…
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Ep 18. Holly Brooks - From Childhood in Doha to Overcoming Early Career Hurdles, Achieving Her Dream Job at Startmate
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Resources mentioned in this episode: MKT1 Newsletter Half of a Yellow Sun by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk M.D. Do you have an operator on speed dial who could be perfect for the show? Please share your suggestions with me via LinkedIn. Never miss an episode. Subscribe on…
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Ep 17. Nicole Meaker on studying Engineering in adulthood, figuring out what you actually find interesting and working at Marqo as a Product Manager
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Listen to this interview with Nicole Meaker and dive into... Unexpected Paths Lead to Rewarding Careers: Nicole's journey into tech was unplanned. Despite an initial lack of interest in math and science, her diverse experiences, including working in bars and a call centre, led her to discover a passion for technology. A reminder to never forget the…
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Elm Town 72 – 435 million reasons to love Elm + Elixir with Erik Person
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Erik Person shares how he joined Corvus Insurance as the first engineer building the system from scratch with Elm and Elixir. We talk about onboarding, culture, and growing the team. He exclaims his excitement for the next phase of acquisition by Travelers. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moor…
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Elm Town 71 – Embracing wins with Lindsay Wardell
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Lindsay Wardell tells how she persevered to write her own story as a programmer and shares her views on JavaScript frameworks & fatigue. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.11.06 Guest Lindsay Wardell Show notes [00:00:20] Sponsored by Logistically [00:00:49] Introducin…
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Elm Town 70 – Getting out of the basement with Jim Carlson
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Jim Carlson shares his discoveries in software development through the people he's met in the community and the projects he's building. We also discuss how a history in mathematics shapes his work. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.10.13 Guest Jim Carlson Show notes […
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Elm Town 69 – A vision for tooling with Simon Lydell
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Simon Lydell tells his origin story from Firefox power user to full-time Elm engineer. Then we talk about his work in the community building tools & contributing to core. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.10.09 Guest Simon Lydell Show notes [00:00:25] Sponsored by Log…
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Elm Town 68 – Shared joy with Mario Rogic
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Mario Rogic shares his journeys, both physically around the world and strategically, as he built & rebuilt Lamdera. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.09.08 Guest Mario Rogic Show notes [00:00:25] Sponsored by Logistically [00:01:00] Introducing Mario Locomote Lamdera …
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Elm Town 67 – Breaking things down with Gingko Writer
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Adriano Ferrari talks about how Elm allows him to solely support Gingko Writer and make progress on new projects while also homeschooling. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.09.08 Guest Adriano Ferrari Show notes [00:00:25] Sponsored by Logistically [00:01:00] Introduc…
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Elm Town 66 – A gateway to scientific research
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Chris Martin shares how he grew Elm wings while building Exosphere, a user-friendly, open-source tool to help scientists do research. Note: Jared's audio quality isn't great. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.08.02 Guest Chris Martin (https://cmart.blog) Show notes [0…
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Elm Town 65 – Let's roll with it
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We review Jeroen Engels' journey with Elm from ESLint to elm-review. Jeroen even gives tips on how to introduce rules to a team. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.08.01 Guest Jeroen Engels Show notes [00:00:21] Sponsored by Logistically [00:00:58] Introducing Jeroen E…
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Ep 16. Alex Crawshaw from boarding school to a grad job at Deloitte and then finally landing a dream role at Halter
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Alex Crawshaw is a finance manager and chartered accountant at Halter, a New Zealand AgTech startup on a mission to enable farmers to run more productive and sustainable farms. Alex grew up in NZ and went to boarding school (with her now founder, Craig Piggott!) before university which ended up with her landing a grad job at Deloitte. We chat throu…
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Elm Town 64 – The network effect
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Martin Stewart comes back to share his experience using Elm and Lamdera to make all the things, from games to professional apps. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.07.10 Guest Martin Stewart Show notes [00:00:14] Sponsored by Logistically [00:01:01] Introducing Martin …
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Elm Town 63 – Opening the doors of functional programming
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Join Mika Naylor on her journey with functional programming through the doors of Elm to Elm Land and beyond. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.06.08 Guest Mika Naylor Show notes [00:00:25] Sponsored by Logistically [00:01:04] Introducing Mika Naylor Nix and NixOS "Beh…
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Ep 15. Dr Izzy Bigio from six years at med-school, to two years as a Doctor and then a massive personal rebrand before landing at Blackbird as a community partner
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** Apologies for the radio silence! I have moved interstate, had some tough family news and am also at a new job - this episode is an absolute banger to come back to, so please enjoy 🙏 **This week I sat down with Dr Izzy Bigio, Blackbirds Aotearoa-based Platform manager and my first colleague to come on calling operator. Izzy takes us through her j…
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Ryan Haskell-Glatz talks about making Elm mainstream, learning through iterations of elm-spa, and how experiences at Vendr shaped Elm Land. Note: the quality of Jared's recording is off and there are technical difficulties with the video at the end. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recor…
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Elm Town 61 – Turning the pages with Dillon Kearns
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Dillon Kearns turns the pages of his journey with Elm, from applying meta-learning techniques as a classical piano player & agile coach to building a full-stack Elm framework (elm-pages). Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.05.04 Guest Dillon Kearns (https://incremental…
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Elm Town 60 – Productivity and the culture of moving a little bit slower
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Wolfgang Schuster shares his journey with Elm, describes writing & deleting Elm code at Vendr, and explains the productivity gains in an ecosystem that values building things for the end user. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.05.02 Guest Wolfgang Schuster (https://wo…
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Elm Town 59 – Elm Camp with Katja Mordaunt
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Katja Mordaunt talks about Elm vibes versus other programming communities and gives us the low-down on Elm Camp. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.04.14 Guest Katja Mordaunt (https://katj.am/) Show notes [00:01:00] Introducing Katja Mordaunt codereading.club "Growing …
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Ep 14. Gemma Clancy & Will Richards, creators of the Overnight Success newsletter talk about building something from nothing
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Interesting in Overnight Success? find them here Resources mentioned: Acquired podcast Tech Safari Acquisitions anonymous Lennys newsletter Do you have an operator on speed dial who could be perfect for the show? Please share your suggestions with me via LinkedIn. Never miss an episode. Subscribe on your favourite platform: Spotify Apple Podcasts (…
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Elm Town 58 – Unblocking users with quality software
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Tessa Kelly shares her experience unblocking users while building quality software, explains how to avoid the "accessibility dongle" using the Elm philosophy, and considers some tesk9/accessible-html design changes. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com. Music by Jesse Moore. Recording date: 2023.04.04 Guest Tessa …
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