“Exegetically Speaking” is a weekly podcast of the friends and faculty of Wheaton College, IL and The Lanier Theological Library. Hosted by Dr. David Capes, it features language experts who discuss the importance of learning the biblical languages—Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek—and show how reading the Bible in the original languages “pays off.” Each podcast lasts between seven and eleven minutes and covers a different topic for those who want to read the Bible for all it is worth. Click on the ...
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Tim and Susan love the Word and love living real. Here they talk about the what they have discovered in the Word and in life this week.
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Sequenced Inclusion in Election, with Matthew Bates: Eph. 1:11-14
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In Paul’s letter known to us as “Ephesians,” Paul indicates an historical sequence by which his readers came to be included in the foreordained purposes of God. This and other insights arise as Matthew Bates, making a second appearance in our podcast series, takes us through a reading of the Greek text of Ephesians 1. Dr. Bates is Professor of Theo…
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Pastors Are Not (Just) Coaches, with Michael Bird: Eph. 4:12
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Is Ephesians 4:12 about leaders doing the work of ministry or training the “laity” to do the work? Answering that question requires a close look at the Greek wording and even decisions about placement of commas by editors. Dr. Michael Bird is Deputy Principal at Ridley College (Melbourne, Australia). His many publications include (with N. T. Wright…
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Paul’s Greatest Hits, with Nijay Gupta: Eph. 2:4-5
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In our last episode of Season Four (Season Five beginning soon), Prof. Gupta imagines Paul in prison reflecting on one last sermon that captures and expresses without restraint the wonder and truth of God’s grace as he has preached and known it. We begin with the great “But God” of Ephesians 2:4. Dr. Nijay Gupta, Professor of New Testament at North…
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An Exegetically Speaking listener submitted a question about the gender of a Greek relative pronoun in Matthew’s genealogy (Matt 1:1-16), which provides an opportunity to talk about the potentials (and challenges) of this aspect of grammar for translation. The questioner, Russell, listens to this podcast from his home in New Zeeland, where he is an…
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Marriage Relations according to Aristotle and Paul, with Lynn Cohick: Ephesians 5:21-22
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In his teaching about family relations (e.g. Eph. 5:21–6:9), Paul is echoing descriptions of a household that had been formalized by Aristotle, but in so doing Paul turns Aristotle’s teaching on its head. Dr. Lynn Cohick is Distinguished Professor of New Testament and Director of Houston Theological Seminary at Houston Christian University. Among h…
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Brother of Jesus, Servant of the Lord Jesus Christ, with Mark Lanier: James 1:1
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As Mark Lanier explains in this episode, the opening words of the Epistle of James, which are rooted in the OT idea of the “servant of YHWH,” give us a window onto how the resurrection of Jesus transformed James’ relationship with and understanding of his brother, Jesus. Lanier is a practicing attorney, a teacher in his local church in Houston, Tex…
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Announcing the Gospel in Fecund Language, with Joseph Dodson: Col. 2:15
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The grammar, metaphors, background, and possible referents of the Greek wording of Colossians 2:15 make for rich challenges and possibilities for interpretation, translation, and application. As Dr. Joseph Dodson explains in this episode, choosing between options may not always be correct. Dodson is the Dr. Craig L. Blomberg Chair of New Testament …
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The Bilingualism of Ruth, with Timothy Lim: Ruth 2:21-23
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The narrator of the book of Ruth preserves small but telling mistakes in the Hebrew uttered by the character Ruth, who was a Moabite immigrant to Israel. How are these clues to the narrator’s intentions? Dr. Timothy Lim is Professor of Hebrew Bible & Second Temple Judaism at The University of Edinburgh. He works broadly in the Hebrew Bible, ancient…
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The Remnant, or, God Making a Car out of Spare Parts, with Mark Lanier: Acts 15:16-17
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At a crossroads in the nascent Christian mission the “apostles and elders” conferred to discern where the Spirit of God and the Scriptures were leading them. The question: What is required of the Gentiles for salvation? James cited Amos 9 which foretold the restoration of David’s “fallen tent” so that the “remnant” of humankind would seek the Lord.…
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Seed of David and Son of God, with Matthew Novenson: Rom. 1:3-4
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The Greek sentence that opens Paul’s letter to the Romans includes carefully worded claims about Paul’s gospel. Crucially, Paul identifies some of what he means when he refers to Jesus as Christ/Messiah: He is a descendent of David and the Son of God. He is the latter not only as a result of the resurrection but in a special way through that event.…
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Signs and Wonders, with Benjamin Marx: Acts 2:19, 6:8, 15:12
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In this episode, Ben Marx shares how close attention to the phrase “signs and wonders” brings into focus how Luke narrates God’s work of salvation in Jesus, to which the apostles and others bear witness. This plays out against the backdrop of Moses’ miracles and plots the growing reach of the good news from Israel to the nations. Ben Marx is Profes…
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Biblingo comprises a suite of online resources for learning the biblical languages, including a variety of digital aids and the option of live cohort training. The unifying mission of Biblingo is to advance God’s Word in the world by making the biblical languages more accessible and easier to learn through technology. Here to talk about this is Nic…
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"I am not I AM to you," with Andrew King: Hosea 1:9
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The Hebrew phrasing of Hosea 1:9 recalls the covenantal name of God in Exod. 3:14. However, as Dr. Andrew M. King explains, because of their sin, God’s covenant disposition is reversed towards Israel. Dr. Andrew M. King is Assistant Professor of Biblical Studies at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and Spurgeon College, and co-director of Eve…
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A Better Baal, with Andrew Burlingame: 2 Kings 1
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There are Hebrew word plays in 2 Kings 1 that are not apparent in English translations but are part of the original narrator’s intention, not without a touch of humor, to show that the Israelite prophet Elijah out-Baals Baal. Dr. Andrew Burlingame is a Wheaton College Classical Languages program alumnus and is now Assistant Professor of Hebrew at t…
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Made Innocent or Made Righteous?, with Kevin Grasso: Romans 3:24
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Romans 3:21-26 is a critical biblical passage, and it has naturally been read in conflicting ways. Can insights of modern linguistics wed with conventional exegesis to clarify the choices to be made in interpreting a key Greek word in v. 24? Dr. Kevin Grasso (Hebrew University of Jerusalem) is co-founder and CEO of Biblingo, which exists “to advanc…
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Dr. Samuel Pagán has spent years working in biblical scholarship and translation. He discusses the expertise that is required for good translation work, the joy of that work, and the unending need of fresh or refreshed translations. Dr. Pagán is the Dean of Hispanic Programs at The Jerusalem Center for Biblical Studies (Jerusalem and Lakeland, FL).…
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A Jesus Christ Apocalypse to his Slaves, with Scot McKnight: Revelation 1:1
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A translator of the Bible into English must possess a sensitivity to the possible meanings of Greek words and grammar used by (or possibly not used by) the original author, and an equally sensitive awareness of how the English word choices of other translators have aided or hindered understanding. Prof. McKnight puts forward fruitfully provocative …
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In the NIV of Hosea 1:2, the prophet is told to “marry a promiscuous woman and have children with her.” The Hebrew wording arguably intends the idea, “and adopt her [already born] children.” The larger concern is less with marriage than with household. Dr. Andrew M. King is Assistant Professor of Biblical Studies at Midwestern Baptist Theological S…
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Now I Have Experienced That You Fear Me, with John Walton: Genesis 22:12
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How does Gen. 22:12 in its context of God’s promises to Abraham answer the question of why God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac? Hint: There are parallels with Job. Dr. John Walton, Professor of Old Testament at Wheaton Graduate School, is a frequent contributor to this podcast. His many publications concentrate especially in the backgrounds, langu…
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Does Everyone Speak in Tongues?, with Christopher M. Hays: 1 Corinthians 12:30
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It is possible for a small Greek word to lift a great weight of misunderstanding from one’s heart. In 1 Cor. 12:30 Paul’s question about the gift of tongues is marked as rhetorical, expecting a negative answer, by just such a word. Christopher M. Hays is the president of Scholar Leaders. Among his publications are When the Son of Man Didn't Come: A…
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How Does a Classical Languages Degree Prepare for Exegesis and Koiné?, with Jon Laansma
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Jon Laansma is Gerald F. Hawthorne Professor of New Testament Greek and Exegesis in the Classical Languages program at Wheaton College. He regularly teaches Greek 101-102 along with upper-division Greek rapid reading courses that translate whole books of the NT and Church Fathers. One such class reads through all of Luke-Acts. Another pairs several…
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Eternal Life?, with John Walton: Psalm 49:15 and 73:24
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Did the OT Israelites have a hope of eternal life in heaven? Ps. 49:15 is often understood to say that God will “take” the psalmist “to himself.” But the phrase “to himself” is not in the Hebrew. It is by noticing such things in that and similar passages that we are better equipped to answer the larger question as far as the original author is conc…
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Adam and Eve as Temple, with Ingrid Faro: Genesis 2:21-22
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Hints of the identity of the man and woman together as God’s sacred space have been latent but unrecognized in the Hebrew language of Gen. 2:21-22. In this, our 200th episode, Dr. Ingrid Faro uncovers what the language has to tell us. She is the Coordinator of the MA in Old Testament Program at Northern Seminary in Lisle, IL, where she teaches the …
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A Collection, Sunday, and Sabbath, with Jon Laansma: 1 Cor 16:2
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In 1 Cor. 16:2, is Paul stipulating that funds be set aside “individually” or “at home,” and is there evidence here of a special “Lord’s Day” meeting of the church? Jon Laansma is Gerald F. Hawthorne Professor of New Testament Greek and Exegesis in the Classical Languages program at Wheaton College. He has authored articles on the Lord’s Day and Sa…
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I Will Nullify the Intelligence of the Intelligent, with Chris Fresch: 1 Cor 1:19
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In 1 Cor. 1:19 Paul quotes from Isaiah 29:14. His Greek wording differs markedly from the Hebrew of the OT passage, but is close to the Greek version of Isaiah then in use (LXX, Septuagint) . . . and nods to Psalm 33:10. Why would Paul do this? Dr. Fresch also wrote a blog post on this issue: “Paul the Paraphraser or Paul the Septuagint Quoter?” Dr…
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The Christ Faith, with Kevin Grasso: Galatians 3:22
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A key Greek phrase, πίστις Χριστοῦ (with variations), has been hotly debated as to its meaning and translation: “Christ’s faith(fulness)”? “Faith in Christ?” Maybe, however, the sense is closer to: “the Christ faith.” Dr. Kevin Grasso (Hebrew University of Jerusalem) is co-founder and CEO of Biblingo, which exists “to advance God’s Word in the worl…
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Hebrew Prepositions and God’s Image, with Carmen Imes: Genesis 1:26-28
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The Hebrew preposition usually translated as “in” in the phrase “in God’s image” repays a closer look. It has to do with our identity, what and who we are. Dr. Carmen Imes (Ph.D., Wheaton College) is Associate Professor of Old Testament at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University. She has published several works including Bearing God’s Name: W…
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Apron Yourself with Humility, with Dennis Edwards: 1 Peter 5:5
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Dr. Dennis Edwards is Vice President for Church Relations and Dean of the Seminary at North Park University. Among other things, he has authored Might from the Margins: The Gospel's Power to Turn the Tables on Injustice and 1 Peter (The Story of God Bible Commentary Book 17). Today’s topic: A word otherwise unused in the NT is chosen by Peter to co…
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Only-Begotten God, with Travis Wright: John 1:18
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Travis Wright is a Ph.D. candidate in Theology and Religion at Cambridge University. Today’s topic: Pairing a knowledge of Greek with the field of linguistics allows for a sharpened exposition of the crucial statement about God and the only-begotten God in John 1:18.Bởi Wheaton College
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Entering God’s Resting Place, with Jon Laansma: Hebrews 4:1-11
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Jon C. Laansma is the Gerald F. Hawthorne Professor of New Testament Greek and Exegesis in the Classical Languages program at Wheaton College, IL. Among other things he has authored I Will Give You Rest: The Rest Motif in the New Testament with Special Reference to Mt 11 and Heb 3-4 and The Letter to the Hebrews: A Commentary for Preaching, Teachin…
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There Is No Good Thing Within a Person . . . , with Lucia Sanders: Ecclesiastes 2:24
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Lucia Sanders, Assistant Professor of Biblical Studies and Director of the Academic Support Center at Life Pacific University (San Dimas, CA), is an alumna of Wheaton Graduate School’s M.A. in Biblical Exegesis and a current Ph.D. student at University of Birmingham. Today’s topic: Eccl. 2:24 is frequently translated something like, “A person can d…
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Hidden Hebrew Wordplays in Ruth, with James Frohlich: Ruth
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Dr. James Frohlich is Adjunct Professor of Old Testament, Dallas Theological Seminary-Houston, and the author of The Relationship between MT and LXX in Jeremiah 39(46):1-41(48):3 and 52 (Forschungen Zum Alten Testament 2.reihe). Today’s topic: The author of Ruth weaves some interesting Hebrew wordplays through the narrative which are frequently los…
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Hospitality, with Vuyani Sindo: 1 Timothy 3:2, Romans 12:13 (and elsewhere)
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Rev. Dr. Vuyani Sindo is Head of Biblical Studies at George Whitefield College, Cape Town, South Africa. In an earlier episode of this podcast he discussed the translational choices of English “liberty” or “right” in 1 Cor. 9:4-5. Today’s topic is hospitality, or “love” of the “stranger.” This is the expectation of church leaders and all believers …
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Dr. Adam E. Miglio is Associate Professor of Old Testament & Archaeology and Director of M.A. in Old Testament Archaeology at Wheaton College. His most recent book is The Gilgamesh Epic in Genesis 1-11: Peering into the Deep. Today’s topic: Anyone listening in on the discussions of Old Testament specialists soon hears tell of the cuneiform script a…
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To Catch Hold of a Breath, with Rev. Dr. Nancy L. deClaissé-Walford: Eccl. 1:2
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Rev. Dr. Nancy L. deClaissé-Walford is Emerita Professor of Old Testament and Biblical Languages at Mercer University. She is the Old Testament editor for the Word Biblical Commentary Series, and she has published, Psalms, Books 4–5 (Volume 22) (Wisdom Commentary Series), among other things. Today’s topic: The KJV’s translation of the Hebrew phrase…
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Do Fruit Worthy of Repentance, with Darrell Bock: Luke 3:8, 10
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Dr. Darrell Bock is Executive Director of Cultural Engagement and Senior Research Professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary. Among his other roles and accomplishments, he has earned recognition as a Humboldt Scholar (Tübingen University in Germany), is the author of over 40 books, including well-regarded commentaries on Luk…
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Conceived by the Spirit, with Amy Peeler: Matthew 1:20
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Dr. Amy Peeler is Associate Professor of New Testament at Wheaton College and Graduate School and a frequent contributor to this podcast. Her research has concentrated in the Letter to the Hebrews, Paul and Gender, and the Gospel of Mark. Her most recent book is Women and the Gender of God. Today’s topic: The conception of Jesus in Matthew 1:20 pre…
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Grandmothers of Jesus, with Amy Peeler: Matthew 1:1-16
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Dr. Amy Peeler is Associate Professor of New Testament at Wheaton College and Graduate School. Her research has concentrated in the Letter to the Hebrews, Paul and Gender, and the Gospel of Mark. She has contributed previous episodes to this podcast, and among her publications is Hebrews: An Introduction and Study Guide. Today’s topic: The presence…
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Learned Contentment, Self-Sufficiency, or Sufficiency?, with Dr. Jonathan More: Philippians 4:11
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Dr. Jonathan More, Vice-Principal and Academic Dean at George Whitefield College, Cape Town, South Africa, focuses his research on the intersection between the intellectual world of the New Testament and its Graeco-Roman context. Today’s topic: Translation sometimes poses difficult decisions when there is no single word available to the translator …
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How to Insult with a Consonant, with Catherine McDowell: 2 Kings 1:2
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Dr. Catherine McDowell is Associate Professor of Old Testament at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, having previously taught at Wheaton College. She also serves part-time as a professor of Hebrew and Old Testament at Séminaire Théologique Mondelus in Milot, Haiti. With Philip Towner, she authored, The Rewards of Learning Greek and Hebrew: Discov…
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Reefs or Stains and other Challenges in Jude, with Christian Askeland: Jude 12
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Dr. Christian Askeland, Senior Researcher at Museum of the Bible, is interested in the origins and diversity of early Christianity, endeavoring to reconstruct historically the movements from which the relevant texts and manuscripts arose. He has authored John’s Gospel: The Coptic Translations of its Greek Text. Jude 12 poses a series of challenges …
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Life After Exegesis, with John Walton
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Dr. John Walton, Professor of Old Testament at Wheaton Graduate School, author of many books and articles relating to the background, literature, and theology of the Old Testament, has contributed several episodes to this podcast. His newest book, Wisdom for Faithful Reading: Principles and Practices for Old Testament Interpretation, is scheduled f…
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Is the Kingdom Subjected to Violence or Forcefully Advancing? with Bradley Trout: Matthew 11:12
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Bradley Trout is a Ph.D. student at North-West University, Potchefstroom, South Africa, and he teaches Greek and Hebrew at George Whitefield College, Cape Town, South Africa. His current research is on the law in Matthew’s gospel within the Greco-Roman milieu. Today’s topic: A key verb in Matt. 11:12 could be taken as passive or middle voice leadin…
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Beginning Greek in Uganda, with Emmanuel Mukeshimana: 3 John 1
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Rev. Dr. Emmanuel Mukeshimana earned his Ph.D. from Uganda Christian University where he is now Lecturer. His research explored Christ’s mission to the poor in Luke’s Gospel in order to construct a Christian model for poverty alleviation in Rwanda. Today’s topic: The Greek language of 3 John 1 has parallels to the vernacular of Dr. Mukeshimana’s Ug…
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God’s Silence and His Plan for the World, with Jordan Pickering: Genesis 12:10
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Dr. Jordan Pickering is a biblical-studies scholar at the University of Cape Town YMCA Christian Study Centre, South Africa, and the author of Turn Neither Right Nor Left: Recentering Evangelicalism and Troubled Waters: A Fresh Look at Baptism and Why We Argue. Today’s topic: How the structure of Genesis 12 illuminates a hidden moment of silence, w…
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The Journey from Snake to Dragon, with Nathan Lovell: Genesis 3:1-15
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Dr Nathan Lovell is Director of Research at George Whitefield College, Cape Town, South Africa. He has published The Book of Kings and Exilic Identity along with several articles, and is he currently writing commentaries on Kings (Hodder Bible Commentary) and Chronicles (The Bible in God’s world). In a previous episode he joined Dr. Capes to talk a…
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Hebrew Word Order and Boaz’s Generosity, with Catherine McDowell: Ruth 3:17
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Dr. Catherine McDowell is Associate Professor of Old Testament at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, having previously taught at Wheaton College. She also serves part-time as a professor of Hebrew and Old Testament at Séminaire Théologique Mondelus in Milot, Haiti. Among other things, she has authored, The Image of God in the Garden of Eden: The …
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What is Coptic?, with Christian Askeland
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Dr. Christian Askeland, Senior Researcher at Museum of the Bible, is interested in the origins and diversity of early Christianity, endeavoring to reconstruct historically the movements from which the relevant texts and manuscripts arose. He has authored John’s Gospel: The Coptic Translations of its Greek Text. When reading scholarship about the NT…
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Bible, Theology, and Language, with Dr. Randy Hatchett
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Dr. Randy Hatchett is Professor of Theology and Program Coordinator for Theological Studies and for Christianity at Houston Baptist University. Among other things, he has written Engaging Theology: A Biblical, Historical, and Practical Introduction. In this conversation with Dr. Capes he reminds us that at every step the study of biblical languages…
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In the Beginning God Established Order, with John Walton: Genesis 1-2
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Dr. John Walton, Professor of Old Testament at Wheaton Graduate School, is a frequent contributor to this podcast. His publications include Ancient Near Eastern Thought and the Old Testament: Introducing the Conceptual World of the Hebrew Bible and Old Testament Theology for Christians: From Ancient Context to Enduring Belief. He is presently worki…
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